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hello,
Question: When you call a pre-flop raiser, with a medium pocket pair lets say 7's-10's and the board comes 2-2-6 rainbow. You have position, the button. He raised from early middle position. You called.
He obviously missed the flop if he doesnt already have a made hand. Is it profitible to call his C-bet?
Or does your call depend soley on what he has done prior to this scenario. What im asking is do i call his C-bet thinking he has ak thru a-j. Thanks..

Big Smile

     
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Yea against a very aggro oppenent who i think will be firing 3 bullets with AK/AQ/KQ etc on a low board, then im probably c/c for value all the way down, depending on how the board develops of course but it can be risky. Against a guy who Cbets any flop, im tempted to raise his cbet with air/underpair etc & see how he responds, if he flats then i might fire on the turn & most the time that takes it down, but if he reraises u gotta muck.... it all depends on how strong ur reads are...

     
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If you call a pre-flop raise with a middle pair, 2 2 6 is practically an ideal flop. You can't call pre-flop hoping to hit a set cos that's throwing chips away. If you decide to call and hit this flop you need to make the most of it. You can't just call cos that gives you no more information. If your op has an over pair, he will bet the turn and river and you will need to commit more chips but he could also continue betting with AK and it will only get harder to call his bluff each stage. If he has two over cards his hand is much more likely to improve than yours and any high cards that don't give you the set will force you to fold. You have to always raise in this position, even against a pretty tight player. Be prepared to fold to a re-raise but this is the only sensible way to win the hand.

Edited by awood88 (15 January 2010 @ 20:11 GMT)


     
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It's s good situation for you but c-bet doesn't seem to me the best move to do; if he has AJ/AQ/AK it's better to push strong, earn a bit less chips but not to take useless risks Smile

     
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it's defeintly a good situation for a medium pair but it stays risky , however i would surely call and probably make a raise or even go all in .

     
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Depends on the opponent. But against most players one should call here. 10s are a reraise preflop against most players,

     
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Posted by mrnugger:
it's defeintly a good situation for a medium pair but it stays risky , however i would surely call and probably make a raise or even go all in .


Agree with mrnugger Thumbs Up
If I were you I would do this Blink

     
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sorry i wouldnt call the pre- flop raiser with this hand im a tight player............. Shock

     
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Playing mid pockets (particularily micro limits) should be played similar to low pairs, don't go broke trying to get fancy with a beatable hand. Yes I agree that the flop is favorable to a continuation bet, but if reraised, folding is the better option.

     
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I'd make a strong re-raise to stop him/her on agressiv play with high cards Big Smile
But most time I was on the wrong side at coin flips.... Smile

     
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In my case it will make a big difference, that is it a cash game, or a tournament. In a tournament i would fold it preflop, but in a cash game, i'd probably reraise it. Club

     
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OK, you have seen the flop the way you see fit.
Now you got the flop you want and your thinking of either calling or folding, both are wrong, raise.
If its obvious that he missed than punish him.

     
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Posted by pokersztar:
Posted by mrnugger:
it's defeintly a good situation for a medium pair but it stays risky , however i would surely call and probably make a raise or even go all in .


Agree with mrnugger Thumbs Up
If I were you I would do this Blink

Allin seems a bit too much, don't you think? Anyway yes, raise OR if you know this player cbets a lot and gives up on the turn, you can float it

     
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It looks that poster wrote that opponent makes c-bet not him...
Than you should raise him and fold to a push. Push yourself if your raise is more than 40% of your stack.

     
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All net poker players play like this...if they have 2 high cards (A with something) thye always raise even though the flop shows low cards...and another thing...NO ONE raises preflop with 6 2 :| Agree

     
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c/c'ing 3 streets here is very weak and you are very likely to get outdrawn. If the guy cbets, you either raise or fold here. Calling just builds the pot and it is likely to get outdrawn.
Raise, and you know where you stand. Fold is the conservative move if you really don't know what to do with the hand

     
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when u play med pocket pairs, you are playing for set value. They don't hold much value otherwise. With that board, either reraise a continuation or fold. It really depends on your style and what type of villian u have.

     
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I would say, i would have call and see the flop, and when the flop is thouse cards, and he reised, then i would have reraised and see if he calls and maby reraised me again, then its possible to see if he had hit anything, if he dont, he would fold, if he is not a donkey player Smile pairs are always good preflop, if you dont hit, its better to let the pair down Smile because it can be expencive to keep calling and hoping to hit.

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I would say, i would have call and see the flop, and when the flop is thouse cards, and he reised, then i would have reraised and see if he calls and maby reraised me again, then its possible to see if he had hit anything, if he dont, he would fold, if he is not a donkey player Smile pairs are always good preflop, if you dont hit, its better to let the pair down Smile because it can be expencive to keep calling and hoping to hit.

     
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Call or raise is good here. I'd probably reraise him but it depends on the opponent. If he calls my raise and checks turn then i'll usually bet the turn

     
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Posted by cyberbabel:
hello,
Question: When you call a pre-flop raiser, with a medium pocket pair lets say 7's-10's and the board comes 2-2-6 rainbow. You have position, the button. He raised from early middle position. You called.
He obviously missed the flop if he doesnt already have a made hand. Is it profitible to call his C-bet?
Or does your call depend soley on what he has done prior to this scenario. What im asking is do i call his C-bet thinking he has ak thru a-j. Thanks..

Big Smile


No i wouldn't call id re-raise defo.
You dont want to give a free card just incase they hit on the turn. just calling gives them a chance to hit, so raise so at least they have to pay again to get another chance to get ahead.
Unless you have a very strong over pair but never forget they could have like JJ / QQ / KK /AA and they could still lead as if it was a C-bet. Blink By re-raising you will know where you stand.

     
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