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  18-Jan-10, 10:50   #1
? about 30 - 45 buy in play 0 
ih8usukouts 

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Hello, I thought I'd start a thread and get some feedback from BRM members. I play fr cash games and have run across this type of game play and I'm just curious to see what your take is. I see people buying into the table with about 30bb to 45bb, they sit at the table and when it is there turn, they just shove all in, there position does not matter. So if they are first to act in the hand, they shove 30 - 45bb and that's it. No pf raise or nothing, just all in. Whenever I see people do that I pay attention for callers to see wtf hand they have that warrants that kind of play. Now the people that call them usually have AA, KK or AK. So far I have noticed these people (the ones that buy in for 30 - 45bb) are shoving with JJ or bigger, I have even seen them shove with KQs from ep. So I guess my question is, WHY? most of the time they don't get any action and end up with just winning the blinds or when they do get called it's with monsters. The reason I'm writing this is because I saw about 4 different players doing this yesterday. I did notice they folded more blinds than they won by just shoving and when they got called they got beat so I don't understand the logic of playing like this. Any input BRM is appreciated.

     
  18-Jan-10, 11:05   #2
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Tchungpo 

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Here it is : i think i can understand their logic : when i started play poker on internet, i was always planing special strategys, like "okay, now ill play very agressive, raise every hand,..." or "okay now ill play only pairs, jack or better, push all in". For sure it was a beginner mistake ^^ in poker you must adapt to the table, to your cards, positions,... so you can't really plane what you'll do (only big lines, like LAG or TAG, but no more). Those people shoving with Jacks or more think they play strategically, but dont really calculate if they make profit or not. I think its generally people that had some troubles hand in the last games (for example they shove with top pair KJ and get powned by KQ), so they think "okay, if i play only monsters, no more troubles for me". Normally they should fastly understand its not working like that Blink

     
  18-Jan-10, 11:05   #3
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schmoyster 
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They are playing SSS (short stack strategy). It was discussed here.

     
  18-Jan-10, 11:30   #4
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ih8usukouts 

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Posted by schmoyster:
They are playing SSS (short stack strategy). It was discussed here.

How is that sss, they don't even pf raise, they just shove with 30 - 45bb (they are even shoving first to act in the pot with nobody else ahead of them). SSS play at least has a pf raise and the buy in is for 20bb

     
  18-Jan-10, 11:44   #5
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oliver082298 

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sometimes it's there way of playing poker. that's the reason why poker is getting very interesting; playing with players like them... Smile .. besides, its their money...

     
  18-Jan-10, 11:59   #6
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schmoyster 
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Posted by ih8usukouts:
Posted by schmoyster:
They are playing SSS (short stack strategy). It was discussed here.

How is that sss, they don't even pf raise, they just shove with 30 - 45bb (they are even shoving first to act in the pot with nobody else ahead of them). SSS play at least has a pf raise and the buy in is for 20bb

SSS can be played differently by different players. What I mean is, that what you see is how some players understand SSS.

     
  18-Jan-10, 13:01   #7
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shokaku 

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I guess those players just let up steam. And what is more relaxing than shoving every hand?

And no, this is NOT SSS play.

     
  18-Jan-10, 14:24   #8
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Flashcut77 
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Iam with shokaku...thats all but never SSS play.

     
  18-Jan-10, 14:33   #9
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dozn01 

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Posted by schmoyster:
They are playing SSS (short stack strategy). It was discussed here.


correct Blink

     
  18-Jan-10, 15:49   #10
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ih8usukouts 

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Posted by shokaku:
I guess those players just let up steam. And what is more relaxing than shoving every hand?

And no, this is NOT SSS play.

Sorry, I left this part out, they don't shove every hand, just when they think they have a monster hand or something like that. So they do actually fold blinds and don't go all in every hand when they don't have anything.
Also, it's not just on Cake I see this, I saw it quite a bit on the ipoker network too

     
  18-Jan-10, 16:00   #11
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paulparadiis 

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That's weird, i've never seen this kind of guys. Well i have seen them from time to time, but not that much.
And it definitely is not SSS, you don't buy in with 45bb, and then try to play SSS. Club

     
  18-Jan-10, 16:13   #12
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teteban 
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Posted by paulparadiis:
That's weird, i've never seen this kind of guys. Well i have seen them from time to time, but not that much.
And it definitely is not SSS, you don't buy in with 45bb, and then try to play SSS. Club

I think it is SSS, though executed very poorly, letting themselves no margin to get out after the flop

     
  18-Jan-10, 16:30   #13
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paulparadiis 

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Posted by teteban:
Posted by paulparadiis:
That's weird, i've never seen this kind of guys. Well i have seen them from time to time, but not that much.
And it definitely is not SSS, you don't buy in with 45bb, and then try to play SSS. Club

I think it is SSS, though executed very poorly, letting themselves no margin to get out after the flop

It can't be Smile
There is NO SHORT STACK, so it is not short stack strategy Big Smile

     
  18-Jan-10, 18:41   #14
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Chartoule 
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Hi!!

I found some of them in FTP. All with stats (VPIP/PFR) between 5/5 and 9/9. You can call them by his name.. BIG FISH. With a range QQ+, AK you´ll be winner vs him.

Bye and aces (or any two) for all!!

     
  18-Jan-10, 21:38   #15
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twinsun 
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Posted by Flashcut77:
Iam with shokaku...thats all but never SSS play.

I agree to him!!!

     
  18-Jan-10, 21:59   #16
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mrnugger 

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Posted by paulparadiis:
Posted by teteban:
Posted by paulparadiis:
That's weird, i've never seen this kind of guys. Well i have seen them from time to time, but not that much.
And it definitely is not SSS, you don't buy in with 45bb, and then try to play SSS. Club

I think it is SSS, though executed very poorly, letting themselves no margin to get out after the flop

It can't be Smile
There is NO SHORT STACK, so it is not short stack strategy Big Smile

this is most correctly written ! no short stack at all so no SSS . Big Smile

     
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