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well hopefully preflop you would of made a pretty nice raise to get ppl with 6 7 to fold... but j q can still call a pretty big raise preflop depending on the type adn style of player.. so its really a gut call sometimes people might be bluffin some times no...
short stack could even go all in with pair of 10's in that case
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you cant let low cards come into game so some reraise or some preflop and you know no one will go to game with any of low cards and if he pust like this they he has some draw so its ok to go all in
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but yea you never really know online ive had such bad beats like that tho.. i have A A raise huge.. flop comes up like 10 2 6 rainbow.. i bet huge again... the guy calls turn q bet big again.. guy calls.. catches his 3 on the river to give him 2 pairs 6s and 3s.. and u sit there.. wtf... how did u call me all those times with only a pair of 6s 3 kicker... so
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ussually when u get raised immidiately all in the other guy is just bluffing and u should call but still getting beat with cowboys or rockets aint fun :S
Preflop big raise... 4bb + 1bb per limper... , but if the flop is TOO scary, 789 SUITED for example, u should be abel even to fold KK or something like that is you cant bring your opponent to fold....
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Posted by Nitscho: Preflop big raise... 4bb + 1bb per limper... , but if the flop is TOO scary, 789 SUITED for example, u should be abel even to fold KK or something like that is you cant bring your opponent to fold....
Well if you have to act as first .. check raise them and you will see what about they are on ...
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well like was said before. if you raise enough to get the BS out then you just have to go with it, but you also have to worry about the sets that are out there. AA and KK are not golden children, they are in a since a flase hope..
that is why I dont raise with them and just play the hand out, that way im not commited to too much money and say" well im getting pot odds or im pot commited. just play them like J10 and see what comes out.. They are not bullet proof.
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yea well said catlady... AA and AK can easily be busted with mid suited connectors... they have more outs really... striaght, flush were has pairs really have a set, or small chances of 4 card straight, and or 4 card flush
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Well your hope is you bet big enough to get those drawers and fishes out of the pot and if you didnt, you can easily be beat here. so many possiblities in that kind of flop.
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Posted by sprite: Every time i get a big pair like AA or KK a straight draw come like 8 9 10 and get re-raised all in, what do you think the right move is call or fold?
Ekhm, i'm sure that's not everytime.
You should 3bet preflop AA/KK and try to go allin preflop / on the flop. Never slowplay hands like this. It should help.
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why wouldnt you slow play a strong hand like AA or KK then TRAP your opponents when they try to bluff you! i like to play them either way depending on the table
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Thing about slow playing is its like 25 - 25 -50
25% of the time youll get some bad beat where you get your high pocket pair busted
25% of the time youll trap your opponents. and make a couple extra bucks.
50% of the time you bet they fold you take down the pot. Not giving them the chance to hit a cooler or anything.
Now this isnt accurate I know but im just saying 1/2 your money is comming from jsut taking down the pot. the other quarters you dont make as much from
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you have to have on minds that percentage isnt all ! and all of that is nice to know but useless in game since you can only quess opponents cards you are not able to know them for sure ..
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Well I have say it is hard to play them. and there is never a good way to do it. You trap you risk getting sucked out on. you bet big you lose players unless you are able to get away from them before showdown I say just play them as the hand they are. 1 pair. and one pair only until they become a set.
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i can only say u had the mad hand..befor the flop not comes so as u seen the cards u schould only call not rerais ..still someone has jq maybe and that u not lose much play not so high AA are not every time the best cards had the same like u and lose often
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if you have made a big raise preflop i dont think someone will sit on 4-5 if the flop is 6-7-8 then he is a donkey and you will win the money back. but its important to raise preflop with high pairs so you play against 1-2 players and the start pot is higher.
you have to have on minds that percentage isnt all ! and all of that is nice to know but useless in game since you can only quess opponents cards you are not able to know them for sure .. 
