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don't think that bluff at this limits is good idea, people here are rather bad so the will pay you off with your nuts don't do it often man sometimes you can but... think that tight ABC poker is good here
of course you have to know the people at your table, if you had shown just a single bluff this would be a horrid move, but if you had shown down that you were a trapping machine and could flop str8s with one gappers and crap like that then this is played wonderfully.
I think i would have raised the turn, (open ender, flush draw, middle pair) but then he may have been pot commited on the river, that can be both a good and bad thing, because if you hit then you get it all and if you miss you can walk away easily because all you are playing is middle pair, i also like the raise here because you get more information, if he calls then bets out on the river he has shown a lot of strength to bet into someone who raised him, if he bets the river i would put him on at least a set, but this is of course only against a good player. but if you intend to bluff then the call is probably better, i would of probably bluffed smaller, but thats just because i would have bet smaller if i had of hit, something closer to like 40 dollars i think would have an equal effect and if he was lucky enough to have a set he is probably calling both, but i have saved myself 10 BB. this of course only works if it is what you do when you actually hit, you cant bet big with a hand and try to bluff small, or else you will be too easy to read and too many of your bluffs will be picked off
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He represented the flushdraw throughout the hand and the made flush at the river. A typical "play one hand when holding another" type of play. Maybe a smaller raise at the river, but when you try to bluff it was perfect.
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soon as he kalled 10 buks on the turn it was ob/ he wasnt on a flush draw espesh if he had a good table image as he says he did so it was a terrible bluff imo and its an easy kall for a "thinking player" not enough thinkers at that blinds tho
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I usually dont bluff. Feels to risky doing it online. Live is another mather there you can show strenght with your body language. Kind of hard doing that online
Well, the opponent's bet on the river was rather small, so you could think for possible bluff. So if you know him quite well, perhaps you even have some statistics then you could read his hand. I think that you realized that you were 100% behind but still you excluded the hands like AA, KK, AK from his range of hands. If your bankroll is big enough to afford this risk then why not?
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You need him to fold bout 35% of the time, which, given his action, I dont think he is doing, close maybe. If you had a read he was weak and likley to fold cause of the board, well done.
I think this is a bad spot to bluff against thinking opponents but good against bad players (and he looks like one!) because thinking opponents will likely not put you on a flushdraw as you would likely raise that either on the flop or turn so they will think you either made some weird K8 or some weirdly played pocket kings trying to get paid or you have absolutely nothing (busted str draw). I would actually play a flush this way on this board against a thinking opponent cause he probably wont put me on that as he might've seen me raise flushdraws on other boards. His riverbet was awfull IMHO, with tens you cant get much value from anything there. I would only CALL w 2 pair - trips/straight and straight I might raise if I think he is strong enough to call or my image is likely to get him to pay me off with a lot of worse hands. With tens on that river OOP Id either check/fold or check/call depending on opponent and read. And if I really have to bet/fold w like 3 kings I bet atleast 20$ there. (might be bet/call in SOME occasions against the right opponent IE. YOU! )
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there´s only "yes" and "no" to vote, no "sometimes" ? i vote no, because at lower limits the beginners always play ace kings or queens no matter what kicker they have or position. even if someone calls all in, everyone whos got an ace is joining you lol btw im a beginner but in your case u knew what table image u had. so nice bluff !
I wouldnt do that I guess.. to much risc and chance to lose! Nice win tho!!
