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always frustrating to lose with QQ or KK to Ax, but you had pretty good stack and 3 more players to go, so next time in DoN, fold. Kipper was pushing shorty, caligara. you could wait til caligara,lowstackmack and perhaps Brucealmighty drop out against donkKipper
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Here is another one, this was a $50 DoN, how donky donky donky was this He risk his stack while i was allready semi dead Only option for him: fold TT preflop.......... But hey i like it
Table #25489979 - STT #15495795 Starting Hand #1206929428 Start time of hand: 01 Mar 2010 10:07:44 Last Hand #1206928806 Game Type: HOLD'EM Limit Type: NO LIMIT Table Type: TOURNAMENT Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS Blinds are now $125/$250 Button is at seat 5 Seat 1: domdy - $780 Seat 2: sakis13 - $580 Seat 5: CleanCut84 - $2,770 Seat 6: mikeman333 - $6,130 Seat 8: besa007 - $2,645 Seat 10: yellowberd - $2,095 Moving Button to seat 6 besa007 posts small blind ($125) yellowberd posts big blind ($250) Shuffling Deck Dealing Cards Dealing to domdy domdy has requested more time domdy is using the time bank domdy has 39 seconds remaining in the time bank domdy folds sakis13 folds CleanCut84 folds mikeman333 raises to $500 besa007 calls $500 yellowberd folds Dealing Flop besa007 checks mikeman333 bets $750 besa007 raises to $2,145 (all-in) mikeman333 calls $2,145 mikeman333 shows besa007 shows Dealing Turn Dealing River besa007 has Three of a Kind: 10s mikeman333 has Straight, Ace high mikeman333 wins $5,540 with: Straight, Ace high Seat 1: domdy - $780 Seat 2: sakis13 - $580 Seat 5: CleanCut84 - $2,770 Seat 6: mikeman333 - $9,025 Seat 8: besa007 - $0 Seat 10: yellowberd - $1,845 End Of Hand #1206929428
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Posted by pokkerimees: always frustrating to lose with QQ or KK to Ax, but you had pretty good stack and 3 more players to go, so next time in DoN, fold. Kipper was pushing shorty, caligara. you could wait til caligara,lowstackmack and perhaps Brucealmighty drop out against donkKipper
Posted by doomdy: Ohhh, and yes he was french....................
Lol ... of course ... Ace + crap is the french hand! I'm sorry for you. A little brave shove for a 100$ DoN but, in any case, this call is so stupid as lucky.
Posted by CBET: I hate anything french... And french language firstly!!!
I wouldn't be so disrespectful with Frech people and with their language. Don't you think there are a lot of anoying Russian people, writing a lot in chat with their cyrlic characters, omitting you when you recommend to write only in English?
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Posted by pokkerimees: always frustrating to lose with QQ or KK to Ax, but you had pretty good stack and 3 more players to go, so next time in DoN, fold. Kipper was pushing shorty, caligara. you could wait til caligara,lowstackmack and perhaps Brucealmighty drop out against donkKipper
actually im serious, coz you risked your entire stack in DoN against the stupidone with big stack and your position in the game was pretty good. correct me, if im wrong, but the idea of DoN is to be top 5, not be first
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Posted by pokkerimees: actually im serious, coz you risked your entire stack in DoN against the stupidone with big stack and your position in the game was pretty good. correct me, if im wrong, but the idea of DoN is to be top 5, not be first
No ur right its the top5 u wanna be at Which hand u wanna fold here with? KK also? AK? I cant just flat call with QQ, i mean i can but wot if flop comes with an ace or a king? In this situation i just jam, french raised every single hand, so jam it is a very good move imo. In my early days i wud fold this spot thats for sure
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Awhhh this sucks man. This s**t can always happen with hands like this. You should realy be careful for this stuff. If you didn't go all-in pre-flop you could've folded on time
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I dont play a lot of DoNs, and when I do $20 is max, but I do agree with pokkerimees. And yes you can fold AK against this person. But facts ae missing, he is either real lucky to make it to 250BB or you faild to notice what he is actually willing to push all in, A* or any PP by the looks of things. Also kipper is the BS, and can eat you all and take them risks, not such a huge donk move. But a donk move. IMO you should only have been going all in with him if you had him out stacked.
Hand 2. No problems there? Min raise from BS, fine and again can take a risk as he is BS, think he is still BS after a loss. You should thank him for gettin you to the money. On flop what can they do, its all in baby..
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by pokkerimees: actually im serious, coz you risked your entire stack in DoN against the stupidone with big stack and your position in the game was pretty good. correct me, if im wrong, but the idea of DoN is to be top 5, not be first
No ur right its the top5 u wanna be at Which hand u wanna fold here with? KK also? AK? I cant just flat call with QQ, i mean i can but wot if flop comes with an ace or a king? In this situation i just jam, french raised every single hand, so jam it is a very good move imo. In my early days i wud fold this spot thats for sure
If a push is your only option here, don't complain about the outcome. With the given stacksizes your opponent is very unlikely to fold.
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[ actually im serious, coz you risked your entire stack in DoN against the stupidone with big stack and your position in the game was pretty good. correct me, if im wrong, but the idea of DoN is to be top 5, not be first [/QUOTE]
No ur right its the top5 u wanna be at Which hand u wanna fold here with? KK also? AK? I cant just flat call with QQ, i mean i can but wot if flop comes with an ace or a king? In this situation i just jam, french raised every single hand, so jam it is a very good move imo. In my early days i wud fold this spot thats for sure [/QUOTE]
Raise was so big, that you really could not call, i agree you there. And if the french was such every hand raiser as you say, QQ is tempting. On the other hand, you dropped out with avarage stack. All im telling, that you lost your stack preflop allinn with QQ and you where not so short, that you couldnt fold. I prefer to fold and let the donkey do dirty job - take out shorties.
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Posted by shokaku: If a push is your only option here, don't complain about the outcome. With the given stacksizes your opponent is very unlikely to fold.
Where did you read i was complaining?
I just posted these 2 HH to show how bad the players are at PKR. No complaints at my side, i made a EV+ move and i got unlucky, i have these flips 30 times a day, u win some u loose some, so.... no complaint just unlucky
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Posted by B1gfoot: And yes you can fold AK against this person.
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Sometimes I watch with horror how people raise / shove nearly every hand they play, and when called turn over the winning hand 80% of the time. ( yes, even with rags) WHY do they do it? Because they are in a winning flow and they KNOW it. (except for donk that don't know s**t) On occasion I do the same ( not as drastic as some, but still...), and see almost every flop till my flow is over.
My best experience was at a housegame; I folded 95% of all hands for 3 hours because of a bad flow, when it suddenly turned around and I won 10 pots in a row. By then it was 12 pm and the game ended; my mate took me to the Holland casino and I played in the same flow as just before. It lasted for about 1 hour, playing 80 % of the hands and winning 80% of them. I won 1050 Euro.
Since then I always avoid pots when someone seems to have a flow like that and just raised. And yes, I often fold AKo against them.
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The level at Party Poker is just as bad - so many german donks there (not saying every german is a donk).
Everest is the place for italian and spanish donks.
Ipoker to me is crowded with french donks.
Betfair is full of british donks.
There are donks on all sites, but I do agree at PKR the level might be the lowest but never played there so much - don't like the structure and the ennoying tools where you can buh people and do a tons of non poker related stuff.
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Thanks for the thumb down Nice way to let me know i shudnt post intresting HH anymore, imo some people can learn from this, but hey i got the point.....
to domdy
to domdy
I hate anything french... 
And french language firstly!!!
