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Come to think of it, not a terrible play by KipperK. If he shoves he puts a lot of pressure on Doomdy, and he will always have ~30%+ chance unless against aces. Ace is favourite over random hand too and he could afford to gamble and lose the hand..But on the other hand, KipperK could probably sit back and fold into the money.
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Posted by GeneYuss: Come to think of it, not a terrible play by KipperK. If he shoves he puts a lot of pressure on Doomdy, and he will always have ~30%+ chance unless against aces. Ace is favourite over random hand too and he could afford to gamble and lose the hand..But on the other hand, KipperK could probably sit back and fold into the money.
Nah, it was a terrible play. A7 is a fold to a 3bet pre unless it's from a shortie, doomdy was medium stacked. The call was for just under 1/2 KepperKs stack, easy fold.
Posted by doomdy: [QUOTE]Posted by shokaku: If a push is your only option here, don't complain about the outcome. With the given stacksizes your opponent is very unlikely to fold.
Where did you read i was complaining? -------------
From what I can see it's the very first post in this thread or I could be wrong. Wee Wee
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Posted by JeVoOOo: Nah, it was a terrible play. A7 is a fold to a 3bet pre unless it's from a shortie, doomdy was medium stacked. The call was for just under 1/2 KepperKs stack, easy fold.
Exactly, but i dont mind the call, luv it, totally EV+ for me
Cmon Guys, you cant say ''I am medium stack, so i hope other 3 semi shortys will bust and ill try to survive too last 5 with folding'', thats so bad, its a $100 DoN not a $1 one, in the early days off DoNs u cud fold urself into the money on low limit DoNs, nowadays lowlimit DoNs are still easy money but not as easy as the early days.
This ''A7'' guy was hyper aggresiv raising every hand, which isnot a bad idea for being a big stack Anyway just cos he was bigger then me i had to fold my QQ and hope semi-shortys will bust? Argh thats so bad Sorry to say, i dont want to be a smart-ass but thats so weak
Offcourse you can fold QQ in this spot cos u dont want to fight the big and wait for other spots, but you cant say ''well i am over average stack, i can fold and hope shortys die''
Edit: I wish i did put in a poll but cant anymore now thread is older then 24h
Wot u think off this hand?
1) Just ul, WP. 2) Fold QQ and hope shortys bust. 3) Fold QQ and hoping for other spots. 4) Call and see a flop.
I wud be very curious how many people go for option 2), but i am afraid option 2) will be the winner.................
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Ohhh shame but going after these kind of wasters with QQ ,,,, Doomdy i thought you was an original bad boy of poker with the madest skill...you know the quite guy that just keeps mopping up... Still a little wildness every now and again mixing it up... thats the way to go...lol But seriously unlucky. Seems odd to get a wild man at $100 DoNs..? i dont know as im not there...! I understand you got to push these punks and QQ aint that much between that and A7 Hey Doomdy dont listern to some here and keep posting most will listern and take in what you are saying... Keep up the good work No more loosing yeah!!!!!!!
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TY xxxbchxxx
Its np But i didnt expect this hand was so debateable, its very standard play, i just posted it as an example off the bad play at PKR which happens everyday, i dont mind the suckout, its EV+ play for me in the long run, so i luv the call
@ Kristan: Now tell me how you know LoveCyprus? I am very curious
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Yea i know how much if hurt when u're out by Ax.... If he raise every hand i would go all-in also... just a bad luck... And about other... on lower stakes it's normal i remember when i lost AA against TT and had like 80 chips left when ante was 50.... my stack goes to 30 cause of ante (6 players left ofc)... I am at bu... first guy ofc call... second too... and third? some short stack all-in.... i fold ofc... and every other call him... He show AA and ofc he lost ^^... he had like 600 in stack... i was feeling good
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QQ is dangerous. You havet to learn to let it go. The flop seemed dangerous too. If your opponent is not a rock you should fold. A LAG player is possibly holding some kind of Ax, or two small cards suited. But a rock starts with good, reasonable hand.
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Posted by rattacha: QQ is dangerous. You havet to learn to let it go. The flop seemed dangerous too. If your opponent is not a rock you should fold. A LAG player is possibly holding some kind of Ax, or two small cards suited. But a rock starts with good, reasonable hand.
Just a simple question: Did you even read the HandHistory?
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Posted by B1gfoot: IMO you should only have been going all in with him if you had him out stacked.
No offend Mr B1gfoot, but i really hope ur joking [/QUOTE]
No, just very cautious agains a lucker, if you know he is not going to back down as it appers, then you have no reasn to put him all in, OK see the flop by all means, but you would have to fold to a A on board. If I have $100 riding on 1 hand against a donk, ill skip not takes the unnessry risk and save my play for those who can fold, and let outher either kill him or be killed by him. For a guy like this for me all in pre is AA KK only. I understan you not wanting to give him a free ride as it were, and you dont have a stack to 3-bet, so can 100% understand the all in. But there are rare times in poker when you putdown AA, for me I dont want to lose to an idiot pushin with any A*.
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Posted by B1gfoot: ------------
Posted by B1gfoot: IMO you should only have been going all in with him if you had him out stacked.
No offend Mr B1gfoot, but i really hope ur joking
No, just very cautious agains a lucker, if you know he is not going to back down as it appers, then you have no reasn to put him all in, OK see the flop by all means, but you would have to fold to a A on board. [/QUOTE]
But i guess u still know its EV+ to push here, wud u push when it was a $1 DoN? Its about EV+ pokerplay, i am not scared for the call, i want the call, and if he fold its ok too In this push we loose some and win some but its totally EV+ play and thats most important If we just call, and the maniac pushes on a K/A board u just fold and 750 chips down the drain? Wot on a TT9 board and he push? 998 board and he push? Got my point? If u call in this situation ur hand is allready semi dead, why not make this guy a hard decision? (which was not a hard decision obviously ). Anyway QQ versus crap i play any time np Totally EV+
Anyway i do like the discussion on this HandHistory, totally did not expected this
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I only played 10$ DoNs max, so its probably different game. I always let bigstack donk bullys destroy themselves or others, but it may not work on higher levels. And yes, id probably pushed in 1$ DoN, but not in 10$, so im scared, yes. One for sure for me in situation like this, push or fold, no call.
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Posted by pokkerimees: And yes, id probably pushed in 1$ DoN, but not in 10$, so im scared, yes. One for sure for me in situation like this, push or fold, no call.
There u go U know its best to push, totally EV+ play, but ur money is scared so u dont Step down 1 stake and try to play EV+, i am sure ur bankroll will benefit from this
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Wot if after my push ''A7'' guy folds and i pick up the pot? Wot if after my push ''A7'' didnt hit and i pick up the pot?
Then everybody say Well Played?
But now ''A7'' guy did hit and i bust, so now many people looking for a leak And yes there u go, here is a leak ''never risk ur stack to a bigger stack''
Cmon guys its about EV+ play not about foldem and suckouts
Sorry to say, i dont want to be a smart-ass but thats so weak 
thats the way to go...lol
