Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
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Your right, for sure its +EV. But how oftern do you see this sort of play at a $100 DoN, at a guess not too offten. So for me, I guess not a reg, its a situation that will not repay me, but I guess for you it will. But I think you still can fold on a A flop (assuming you put him on A*) id forget the kicker, and probably the K, and put him all in on flop if no A, outherwise play on with 1500 chips, at an almost full table dont see why not. For the $1 D0n situation I dont think you can compare to be fair, same for me using a NL2 annalagy to a NL200 game, its not the same. but see the EV point. I guess im ansering in a what would I do, and not what you should do.
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Canada
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The guy raised 5x the blinds, you can't call and fold if K or A hits flop. I think it's a clear all in. Kip guy range is so wide he could have any hand..
Now the question should be, how should KipperK have played his hand? Raise smaller and fold to reraise, call or fold?
Joined: Feb '08
Location: Belgium
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QQ is a strong hand and i think that it was not a bad idea at all to go all in , i don't think that i would have called with A 7 , in my opinion this guy just played all or nothing and he was lucky enough to hit his A .
Doomdy u know i play alot of DoN's. This was a sad play - he had no need to call - i would have folded AK def in his position. He could have coasted into the money with his stack. U did nothing wrong ( as you know ) .... Methinks i gotta get me a PKR account if the play is like that at them levels
Well it's obvious call. He raising almost everyhand so with QQ you be happy to showdown against his big range and it seems that most of the time he don't have quality hand to call so easy all in and terible call.
Joined: Dec '09
Location: Canada
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that was really bad but their is always this type of ......**** in this game but most of the time we are happy that they call with this because we win so keep play vs this french guy
Joined: May '08
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Posted by EimsbushKing: most people here forgot that this was a don and no sng.
it was so obv. that you cant push him out of the hand.
so imho bad move,because why would you put your stack in with about 70% and no fe if you have to be only 5.place.
every chip you loose got more value than chips that you win.
Seriously.....
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Posted by EimsbushKing: u should really read something about bubblefactor and tournament equity for satelites(maybe sklansky),because a don is played like a sat.
and yes u should have folded there.
Seriously.....
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Posted by EimsbushKing: every chip you loose got more value than chips that you win.
This..... Exactly thats 100% right, but doesnt mean folding QQ is good here.
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Posted by KingYertle: Waarom niet eerst de flop checken voordat j all - in gaat ?
English: Why not first flatcall preflop before u go allin?
Well, i want to giv my oponent a hard decision not myself, so i flatcall and when there is a King or an Ace on the flop i have to giv up? I am sure its more EV+ to push here rather then flatcall.
but their is always this type of ......**** in this game but most of the time we are happy that they call with this because we win so keep play vs this french guy 
