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@jessthehuman there has been a lot of times were the RNGs have "F"d up, a lot of the time it goes unnoticed, and when they are spotted not much talk goes on, why, because all those in the poker industry make money in its vast circle, break the chain and it all goes tits up. Iv heard a few stories in my time about unfair RNGs, and from PPL id trust, yer its not proof, and lots will be silenced in one way or anouther (contract, not death BTW :}). Accusing a site in a damaging way without proof would be very costly.
However its possable for a good player to just not win, it has to happen to someone, just like the kid who should lose, kkeeps winning.
Joined: Feb '10
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i dont like full tillt to couz they dont hawe almost any freerolls but for the rest i agre with so many ppl full tilt is good poker site even im saying that full tilt is good even known that i dont like full tilt
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My thoughts:
I spend a lot of time on Full tilt, and definitely believe that it's harder for me to win there than on some of the other sites I play once in a while (ie. Pokerstars also). I believe it has more to do with the concentration of "good players" on FT. I think the ratio players/skilled players is higher than on any other site, and that that must be the major reason FT is a tougher site to show profit on.
Just an impression with nothing "scientific" to back it up....
Joined: Jun '09
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Hello everybody! I just wanted to say I have not closed my account on full tiltt. But I also had my biggest loss on this server. But just because of mismanagement of my banroll.
Joined: Dec '09
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yea i agree with jack i think they just have so many crap players its sick because they always get so lucky against me, ive been playing on pkrthe last few days and its sick on that to, i could run of a big line of hands but i cant be arsed but people keep calling mad raises from me on the flop when im so far in front and hit a 2 outer but hey the dark lord of varience just wants to kick my arse just now but no prob im going to win the 1/4 million today on pokerstars gl everyone
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Posted by Predobar: I just closed my poker account at FTP. Not random not fair and congratulations to Fergie for making such obvious number generator. Thank god for online hand histories.
Fulltilt is my worst site too, is the only one I lost all the money I deposited, I already lost NDB but deposited of my own was the only one I lost, the beats are so often that became ridiculous.
his preflop play is 107%(!!!!!!!!!!!) more loose than optimal and he dares to cry about ftp being rigged, or not random enough... hahahhaahhahahhahahaha.. i peed myself .... too bad you closed your ftp account, one donk less, even though i dont play there.. (not for rigged/random reasons, though.. hahaha)
Wow MR. Poopy Pants. I've played @ FTP for close to a yr and find that the site if far superior to to most sites that I've tried or looked into. Yes, I an not a winning player yet, but if the theory is right, if I can become a winning player @ FTP, than I should be able to crush similar limits @ other sites. This doesn't suggest rigged algorithims with their card generator, but stiffer more skilled players at the tables. If for nothing else, the FTP points that I'm generating can be redeemed for some pretty nice gear.
Joined: Oct '08
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PTR paints a shocking picture of your play Predobar, you have no right to complain about their RNG, especially as you've only played 11,000 hand at NL2 at which breaking even isn't all that bad.
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Posted by tongerlo: i like FTP as well but I must say that I often see myself being a favourite going all-in just to see myself losing the hand. But of course that will happen when i try to play extremely tight. But sometimes its just too often
What does that have to do with FRP i really dont understand. Cmon saying that is just wrong, its site just like any other ffs.
Joined: Mar '08
Location: Australia
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yes found fulltilts software very annoying.suffered do many beats was driving me crazy,yet playing on others sites at same time and this just wasnt happening.thats poker but seamed more than usual.they gotta pay the big names to play there.
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Posted by DaneMitic: his preflop play is 107%(!!!!!!!!!!!) more loose than optimal and he dares to cry about ftp being rigged, or not random enough... hahahhaahhahahhahahaha.. i peed myself .... too bad you closed your ftp account, one donk less, even though i dont play there.. (not for rigged/random reasons, though.. hahaha)
First to reply to this one because its the easiest. That stat stands at 107% looser than optimal for maybe 6000 hands or so if not more. I tried to play even tighter than normal and it just wont go down. And I played maybe 500 hands that way. Another reason for that stat being so out of order is because I don`t play TAG. I can read 90% of time in cash games what other player is holding so yes I am more bold to enter the hand with little wider range or with extremly large range against certain player types, but latter are rare on micro limits. Also, with so many players using some kind of tracking software I experimented a year ago how to screw up their stats so they could call my big hands when I get them. I even mentioned this few months ago in some post, I can play big EV+ cash game with AGG factor being 12 or more. Remember, poker is skill not luck. How do I keep AGG so high and make profit is me to know and you to find out.
Here I began to write description of the method I used to determine what I did and 1/3 way through I decided not to do it for 2 reasons, even at 1/3 it had 900 words count and no one would read that. Also, by providing the method I would also point to results which is not my intention.
Not flaming or anything
then you need to back it up with some evidence other than a couple sentences about how you're pretty sure you're on to something.
What evidence are you offering for your claim? Actually I`m thinking to check if that lawsuit which has been posted around on various forums for a while is for real and still active so I could tell them about my finds. Much less work for me that way and since I`m not going to play there anymore, only motive for me to do all that would be to warn poker community, which already has formed opinion or is just plain ignorant. Add to that the fact there are numerous shills and affiliates working for those sites, what logical outcome could one person like me produce. As I said, the best shot for me would be to "outsource" this to someone already in court and hopefully court rulling would make enough noise.
until somebody can at the very least obtain and reverse engineer the algorithms/RNG code
Even the company that certified their RNG doesnt have access to code that is being used. They certified some RNG which could be used. Have any idea how to obtain their RNG, because I don`t?
Also, some of what you wrote sounded borderline skitzophrenic. And I'm not having a go at you there.
Nope, its called deduction and since my hobby is psychology I am prone to making conclusion about person im speaking to based on what others would mark as irrelevant. We have a member who claims to be a certified psychologist, dont know when he last logged in. Maybe he can confirm what I said here. Because of that same psychology hobby, I am also a non standard poker player. The most kick I get out of poker is when I can play the player without ever taking board or hole cards into equation. Those are rare games these days because too much people are multitabling, but it is possible to find one once in a while.
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Posted by paulparadiis: He says a site is rigged after playing 60 sit&go's and 35 MTT's. LMAO. Poor donk...
I play mainly cash games these days, because all good tournaments are late night local time and if I wanted to work night shift I would get myself a real job. Also FTP SNG stats are not to be taken serious because maybe 2 or 3 of them I played to win, rest of them I played on TILT to went out the steam. Much cheaper than going allin with full buyin on the table Thats why SNG stats suck and they suck big time, i dont think I have ever won a single SNG on FTP.
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Posted by pokkerimees: if you lose, site is rigged. if you win, you play good. remember that and you always know the answer
lol, I won BRM freeroll on FTP late January and send them email that was rigged too. And it was, I could not lose any allin even if dominated and eventually won the tournament. Guess what, at that time my balance was $0.00, hit zero few days before this tourney and with that money I could play again. lol, sick
Joined: Jan '09
Location: Germany
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Full Tilt has one of the worst swings of all online poker.Sometimes I win with 50$ deposit 200$ within a few hours and then, one day late I ALWAYS lose (with hands like AA vs. 72, AK vs. 56, etc.). I wouldn't say thats it's rigged, but it's really f*cked up sometimes.
Joined: May '08
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@ Predobar:
I am sorry no offend, but to me its like u played many years off online poker, win some and loose some but overall u did not win. So now ur trying to prove its rigged cos its impossible u losing money?
No offend to u Predobar but wud u say the same thing if u were a winning player?
Joined: May '09
Location: Spain
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Hi Predobar.
If you leave FTP, you only can go play to PS. And think about this, the 'thing' that make more variance is bad players. For more players have a site, more bad players. But is all we search, lots of bad players.
Don´t leave fishes make you go out of an excellent site like FTP.
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Portugal
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FTP is rigged. Simply as that. In low and middle stack ( no high roll) there is a "auto-brake" for you on SnG and Cash, in the case you have a ROI that is too high u will lose favorite hands regardless of the EV. They MUST make this to avoid good players from withdrawing too much funds from the global pokersite BankRoll
but no prob im going to win the 1/4 million today on pokerstars 
