Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 42 (M)
OK, I have a few issues in the way you carried out your tests. But its not up for debate, Ill trust that you gave it a fair go. But would like to know the amount of hands played for your conclusion. BTW feel free to PM me on twitter, Im not to concernd if RNGs are what they should, but am intrested in how sites play with RNGs etc.
Joined: Dec '09
Age: 61 (M)
for me fulltilt is the best room of poker the way best lobby and go some research you will see that they make some test for the cards and % is close to the real live poker so dont say that fulltilt is aint good because of this
Shut the FK up already. The sites rigged wah wah wah........the doom swithch is on wah wah wah wah..........I'm a poker genious and can read people's cards preflp and still lose wah wah wah. This shady guy that knowbody knows has come up with the ultimate conspiricy theory that must explain every downswing and badbeat in exsistence wah wah wah.
Joined: Oct '07
Age: 44 (M)
The Pros' play at fulltilt poker because they are sponsored to do so in the first place! Do u really think they all believe in the fairness of the software? They wouldnt say s**t about it even if they did, as it would void their contracts. Sure some of them use their money but notice how you wont find any pro playing at a site other than the one he's sponsored for? They have to play there. Makes no difference as to whether the software has quirks to say the least.
Joined: Oct '07
Age: 44 (M)
Eitherway, there is still money to be made. I have quietly believed it was rigged for a long time but still I play knowing that it probably is in some way or another. F**k proving it...... lets, find ways to exploit it and gain a small edge against it. Oh and BTW no software can be written to be totally random. The best you can get is pseudo random.
Joined: Apr '09
Age: 38 (M)
Posted by Miloutre: OP has got to send me some of the pot he's smokin'..
lol I'm thinking week long methamphetamine binges and then once he hasn't slept for a week and the meth is finally no longer keeping away the shadow monsters, he drops a 10 sheet of acid and then writes he's post.
Joined: Jan '08
Age: 45 (M)
Posted by troeteltje: .... Sometimes I wonder if people get paid for defending the sites, or they are the ones that play that crap and win.
Sometimes they just dont read posts in the thread and draw conclusions based on the first sentence in the first post, yet somehow they think we can all benefit from their comments. But sometimes yes, they are paid by poker sites to defend them. Just take a look at what $k, lecorbu, Rutg3rB0sch, pokerface15 kisee, leroi21, psycokille, GIOMi6, smthopr8er and Miloutre, just on last two pages, wrote and youll see that they didnt even bother to read any of the bigger posts but felt compelled to give us their opinion on something which is not even discussed. I didnt bothered looking at first 2 pages. Honestly, I dont believe that even you have read entire thread.
Posted by B1gfoot: OK, I have a few issues in the way you carried out your tests. But its not up for debate, Ill trust that you gave it a fair go. But would like to know the amount of hands played for your conclusion. BTW feel free to PM me on twitter, Im not to concernd if RNGs are what they should, but am intrested in how sites play with RNGs etc.
Let me just say that these tests were not aimed at proving whether the hole cards are dealt statisticaly correct because you know that I already believe, and this is not just my belief its the fact, those can be statistically correct and that RNG could still be rigged so I didnt even begin looking that way. Also to prove something like that would need extremly large database for single person to collect therefore no hole cards stats. I`m still thinking what should I do with these, not giving it much thought actually , I have life beside this matter which is already done deal for me. I will still be posting here on BRM, I do drink coffee every morning AT HOME and my feelings toward BRM havent changed . Anyway, I dont smoke pot anymore, specially since I saw one Australian documentary about it, it was available on YouTube in full, not playlist or something like that. Meth was never my thing so I cant comment on that. Right now, Red Red Wine.
@Jevoooo Thinking about it. But in every thread that would try to prove anything I would have to say what method I used and what were the exact finds. Right now I`m thinking what to do with it and if Full Tilt feels slandered in any way I invite them to press charges against me, they have my personal data, but that wont happen either because they know that they would have to provide access to actual software that is used for determining hand outcomes. And if they were to pass the test done by the court they would have to use fair and square RNG for prolonged period of time which most of the players would notice and in the long run it would prove EV- for them in form of lost profits vs. profit they would gain from slander lawsuit. As I said in one of my previous posts this thread was made for the most part to remind me of decision to leave online poker where it is, somewhere else in some outside jurisdiction country. We have state run casinos in Croatia so I dont have to go to some syndicate owned outfit. Also seasonal Holdem tournament, cups/leagues, and Holdem tournaments are not rare either.
To all those that are saying I am some donk complaining about bad beats. Again lets look at the facts. Here are my stats from 2 sites, one for tournaments and one for cash tables.
Who can calculate how much profit did I make on FTP since Apr 2009.
Joined: Jan '10
Location: United States
Age: 58 (M)
Posted by Predobar: I just closed my poker account at FTP. Not random not fair and congratulations to Fergie for making such obvious number generator. Thank god for online hand histories.
you all need to understand this, THIS IS IMPORTANT
full tilt uses random generated hands but, foe example say theres 1 million different hands ok, they TAKE like the TOP 20% of the best hand like AA KK AQ and use these top hands to generate more players betting more money in the cash games to make them bigger rakes while tourneys start off with the crapo hand like a table would get Q6 Q4 j3 102 105 84 83 and these are in the bottom 20%
why would poker sites want chittier hands in the gash games THEY DONT because the DONT make money that way, this is why at full tilt cash games you have to play extra tight, pokerstars is the same way but not as bad
Joined: Jan '08
Age: 45 (M)
AGAIN THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOLE CARDS. IT ALSO HAS ALMOST NOTHING TO DO WITH ACTION FLOP THEORY, IT ONLY TOUCHES IT IN PART WHERE MORE RAKE IS GENERATED. They could not generate much more rake if board is blank to both players.
Joined: Dec '08
Age: 51 (M)
again, why the RNG should not be rigged??? Where money and humans come together, we see cheats...
But, tell me, if you think, any RNG is really R, why, why for hell NO POKERROOM, including FTP has an permanent independent controll of the RNG and controll, that always the same programe is in use...
It would be so easy: make a Real RNG, let test it, put it on a independent 3rd Party Server, no Player and not the Room/Network/Skin has access to the RNG... 100% safe and fair and easy... but nobody interested in...
Until somebody can explain that, I think, only an idiot can believe that a human made RNG from a commercial company is Random...
Posted by Predobar: Let me just clear one thing about RNG certificates shown on every gambling site. They are all certified offline, meaning they take RNG code to some certifying firm and they issue them certificate that the software is random. What happens after is not certifying firm concern, software was random when they issued certificate and that`s all they are interested in. If someone is interested in licenses and why they exist truth is only because of the banks. If some online gambling site wants to transfer money legally it is required to have license, to get license one must provide RNG certificate and that is all there is about licenses and certificates.
Bernad Madoff, WorldCom, Enron, Merck --- each company bigger than all online gaming sites together,