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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdeNyPxdxBo

ehy watch this and then say to me that luck doesn't count Big Smile

can i vote now 100% luck ? Big Smile

     
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First I suggest to count ODDS, if odds do not add up, then you need the luck to count Blink.

Playing sit and gos - you dont need luck, they dont last that long and in a long term theres nothing to du with luck.

Playing tourneys - esp ones that take half day to finish up, you need some luck to go FTW.

Cashgames - nothing to do with luck. I doubt high stakes poker players have made that far with luck Big Smile. that would be ridiculous.

Id dare you to play against me mixed games such as plo ha, or horse with luck - i gdt you will lose 200% Blink!

- luck - good when it rails you, but does not count that much! Worship

     
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Well i think that luck is about 25% to 33% important, because if you can't get any cards or the opponent always outdraws you then it is no fun. But in the long run, the more hands you play, the less luck matters. Blink

     
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Posted by darthtony:
Ok this is a stupid question , expecially here in this forum but i want to know how much count !

i've tried to think "poker is a psicological game ! poker is a skill game !" but every time i've QQ and i go all-in an the other with k2 goes all-in too and then he took a pair of k i can think only to the luck !

damned luck ! (and when you are that Donk .... Good God of luck Big Smile )

so what do you think about it ?

takes skill and then luck at the end when short stacks go all in


     
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It'S skill in "the long run" .
I only doubt that anyone has enough money
to survive that long without getting lucky, as due
to the huge number of possible combination of HoldEm
Hands "the long run", after which You could expect
a statistical outcome, would probably be about a million hands or so...
Maybe anyone likes to do the math to give an exact number Smile

Play Your best game, so You need as little luck as possible and hope
for the best. Still You'll see all kinds of miracle bad beats online anyway.

     
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Posted by darthtony:
Ok this is a stupid question , expecially here in this forum but i want to know how much count !

i've tried to think "poker is a psicological game ! poker is a skill game !" but every time i've QQ and i go all-in an the other with k2 goes all-in too and then he took a pair of k i can think only to the luck !

damned luck ! (and when you are that Donk .... Good God of luck Big Smile )

so what do you think about it ?

Yes it is skill game but You need TO BE LUCKY !

     
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Posted by Fackinas:
Posted by darthtony:
Ok this is a stupid question , expecially here in this forum but i want to know how much count !

i've tried to think "poker is a psicological game ! poker is a skill game !" but every time i've QQ and i go all-in an the other with k2 goes all-in too and then he took a pair of k i can think only to the luck !

damned luck ! (and when you are that Donk .... Good God of luck Big Smile )

so what do you think about it ?

Yes it is skill game but You need TO BE LUCKY !

THE LIGHT HAS WAVE FORM AND PARTICLE FORM Big Smile

     
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i say 25% but it depend the type of play each poker players have if he like to gamble and put all in he want luck on is side to but if you wait for some cards luck is less important

but badbeat will always exist Aww crap! Aww crap!

     
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Posted by leroi21:
i say 25% but it depend the type of play each poker players have if he like to gamble and put all in he want luck on is side to but if you wait for some cards luck is less important

but badbeat will always exist Aww crap! Aww crap!

i play really closed ! the last night i had AA ! he made a raise that was 1/3 of my all-in ! i was loosing so i made all'in ! he calls ! he had 5-8 !

at flop 3-j-8
turn 8
river 5

what can i do there ?

     
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50 - 50. I wish I could be skill but NOT. Poker is a lucky game. Mathematics & Possibilities play a very important role, but don't forger it's a lucky game. Poker is gambling! I think anyone must understand this to realize everything about poker and finally play good poker.. Don't get downhearted if you 'll suffer many "Bad-beats", just continue playing until luck is on your side again. Good bankroll management helps you to get by situations like that, and if you do this you'll be fine.

     
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50/50 Big Smile

     
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i vote for the 25% of luck, the others 75% is skill, unless when u play limit games, in that case the percentages are inverted...

     
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25 percent, I think if you look to poker in one single game the luck counts a little, luck for not getting a bad beat, of a little luck when you make that bad call.
But if you look at the long term it doesn't count, good players will almost always make the good decisions and poker is pure mathematics, so a hand with 85 percent chance of holding up can loose once and twice, that's called bad luck, but if you know your odds,it's not about luck anymore, but about making the right decisions.
It's not curious you always see the best players cashing in tournaments or cashgames I think, off course you can cash once or twice with luck, but to cash lets say ten times, that amount off luck nobody has.

     
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ist a very important issue on poker, if u are unlucky but u have a great skill u will lost a small part of ur bankroll, if u are a lucky good player, u will be rich, if u are a lucky donk u will lost ur money eventually.
yesterday i lost 20 dlls in one 0.05/0.10 table, by hittin trips twice, fist with quads, and the river gave a flush to the donk and then with tens with river giving the straight to the same donk, Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!
im not a great player but mi bankroll is ok, s**t happens!, and no one can beat the badbeats, but if u play well u willl be winning the most of the time. Dollar Dollar Dollar

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O, and tournaments are very diferent, right there the luck is more important, cos u have to go through several allin situations to get a descent prize, but strategy is very important, u have to know when and againt who are u calling or raising to allin. and sometimes donks go forward to the final table just by raising allin and having a lot of luck

Edited by Alelkz16 (21 March 2010 @ 21:27 GMT)


     
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what i have under stand from the little bit of reading ive done. It is never a good idea to put all your chips in a pot especially before flop. on these poker sites your always gonna fine the fishes that dont care. this is a very good thing though because when you do hit your monster hands they are guaranteed to get pay off. So for alot of the not so good players luck = 100% but this can be a huge pay off for you. By the way this is usually only in the low levels of tournament play in the later rounds most of the fishys are gone.

     
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99%skill game! in long time you will always make profit if you know how to play! ...you will lose sometimes all in with AA but in long time you will win with AA most of the time!

     
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Posted by leroi21:
i say 25% but it depend the type of play each poker players have if he like to gamble and put all in he want luck on is side to but if you wait for some cards luck is less important

but badbeat will always exist Aww crap! Aww crap!

Yeap and then tilt tilt

     
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you must have skill but whitout luck you can't do high results,in some games I play 300 hands and I can't connect two big cards,no two pars,yes when I don't go and fold in preflop then it looks then I can win but without luck I pick wrong hand to fold(7 and 9) Thumbs Down and on the table in flop 7 and 9 are on the table Question Confused Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!

     
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i think if play one hand qq por example win or lost is lucky.

But if i play 100 QQ lost is 25% or near, not lucky,that is statics. you lost in 25% or near vs AA, K2-o or 27-o... any, not is a problem lost vs bad hands.

manage bank roll is the best skills.

     
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Lucks importance is directly proportional to your stack size imo.

If two players sit down and each has 10,000 big blinds in front of them then skill is almost 100%

If two players sit down with 1 big blind then luck is at 100%

This is why tournaments tend to have a larger luck factor, as the blinds go up you get closer and closer to having one big blind. Any time i have less than 10 big blinds im willing to shove and hope with good position on the table.

     
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