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Hello everybody! I think you played well. It's just bad luck. You almost had the nuts because you just think at the straight flush that happens so rarely. In addition to a straight flush when the flop. The guy has too much luck. See you soon for new posts lol!
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I wouldnt of bet out on the flop, I would of checked & probably of folded to a bet considering I only had bottom pair with a few players still in the pot & with 3 hearts out there & I HATE when players bet min especially on the turn......still unlucky to lose with a full house tho but tbf you shouldnt of even got to that stage
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Don't know why you are betting that flop. You have bottom pair and the weaker of the draws out and are multiway. Someone will have at least a flushdraw.
At the river just call his raise, don't come over the top unless opponent is overplaying his hands. Yes, you have a boat, but the weakest possible, and it looks like he likes his hand.
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You were a little unlucky in that you got a free flop and the river seemed to be a great card for you but I don't think that you played this well.
I think your first mistake was when you bet 200 in early position with a pot of 1000 and just a pair. The board is extremely dangerous and there is no way you can call a raise here so why bet. Especially since any high heart will call and you're giving them great odds.
The 5 is actually a bad card for you since it opens up more drawing hands. Your pathetic bet gives you no information whatsoever. You have no idea whether your opponent has a drawing hand or a made hand. A bluff on the river is also out of the question so building the pot like this does not help you anything.
The way I would have seen it is I was willing to fold preflop. Therefore I'm not going to get involved in this hand unless I hit a monster. All I've lost is my big blind so I may as well fold two pair or worse and wait for better opportunities. My opponents could have a huge range of cards since they all limped so why risk anything. I would have checked the flop no doubt and folded to any bet. It's not unlikely everyone would check behind so I wouldn't be clear yet. But the only way I would have lost more chips in this hand than my bb is if everyone checked to the river. I can't say for certain how I would react then. No doubt I would have bet for value but whether I would re-raise the straight flush or just call I don't know. I would hope that I'd have the sense not to go broke.
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No way out of it. You played it correct only got vul. Better luck next time, and remember, with pretty high % your not going to see a hand against you atleast for months now .
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Yeah i see what you are saying but just a poke at a pot can soon telll you where you are. I oftern (with differing results) have a stab at taking a pot down early in a hand as i belive so many players are sitting tighter than a ducks arse, and wont play a thing other than aces or kings. plus i was under the impression he had an over pair thats why he was just calling rather than going over the top of me. So when i hit the two pair thats when i put a little more pressur eon him... a bit to much
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Posted by Kristan: No way out of it. You played it correct only got vul. Better luck next time, and remember, with pretty high % your not going to see a hand against you atleast for months now .
Good luck recovering from that shock mate
So no more variance for me yeah...lol and no more luckers flopping the nuts...lol
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Posted by xxxbchxxx: Yeah i see what you are saying but just a poke at a pot can soon telll you where you are. I oftern (with differing results) have a stab at taking a pot down early in a hand as i belive so many players are sitting tighter than a ducks arse, and wont play a thing other than aces or kings. plus i was under the impression he had an over pair thats why he was just calling rather than going over the top of me. So when i hit the two pair thats when i put a little more pressur eon him... a bit to much
Sorry but what pressure? The only time you made any reasonable sized bet was on the river. I don't think betting the flop was the worst thing you could have done (personally i'd check) but if you had to bet, min betting is a terrible idea. That's not a poke, that's a joke. You have 26 000, the pot is 1000 and you bet 200.
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Posted by awood88:
Posted by xxxbchxxx: Yeah i see what you are saying but just a poke at a pot can soon telll you where you are. I oftern (with differing results) have a stab at taking a pot down early in a hand as i belive so many players are sitting tighter than a ducks arse, and wont play a thing other than aces or kings. plus i was under the impression he had an over pair thats why he was just calling rather than going over the top of me. So when i hit the two pair thats when i put a little more pressur eon him... a bit to much
What pressure? The only time you made any reasonable sized bet was on the river. I don't think betting the flop was the worst thing you could have done (personally i'd check) but if you had to bet, min betting is a terrible idea. That's not a poke, that's meaningless. You have 26 000, the pot is 1000 and you bet 200.
Good point well put. Very poor play i see that now.
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i was about to say the same if u are going to bet at the flop with so many in the hand i would bet at least 800 then u would have knew who had something and well by the time u get to the river i would have just called as i would have been worried the guy had pocket 6s or 7s the reraise was a bit crazy, dont get me wrong i would have bet for value but when he reraised i would have just called. but ul m8 gl next time
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Posted by awood88:
Posted by xxxbchxxx: Yeah i see what you are saying but just a poke at a pot can soon telll you where you are. I oftern (with differing results) have a stab at taking a pot down early in a hand as i belive so many players are sitting tighter than a ducks arse, and wont play a thing other than aces or kings. plus i was under the impression he had an over pair thats why he was just calling rather than going over the top of me. So when i hit the two pair thats when i put a little more pressur eon him... a bit to much
Sorry but what pressure? The only time you made any reasonable sized bet was on the river. I don't think betting the flop was the worst thing you could have done (personally i'd check) but if you had to bet, min betting is a terrible idea. That's not a poke, that's a joke. You have 26 000, the pot is 1000 and you bet 200.
I want to ask you something. Do you really think the other guy would of pushed HIM OUT OF HIS HAND WITH STRAIGHT FLUSH? lmao, you all saying here wrong wrong, if hed bet 800 or pot the guy would of just called and it would of end bad in river. If you are saying the other guy would of raised even hed bet out 800 post flop and post turn he would of just called his raises to get some more in river and it would of end the same way - ALL IN.
There was no way out so I dont get it why to whine about minimum in that sitation?
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Posted by Kristan:
Posted by awood88:
Posted by xxxbchxxx: Yeah i see what you are saying but just a poke at a pot can soon telll you where you are. I oftern (with differing results) have a stab at taking a pot down early in a hand as i belive so many players are sitting tighter than a ducks arse, and wont play a thing other than aces or kings. plus i was under the impression he had an over pair thats why he was just calling rather than going over the top of me. So when i hit the two pair thats when i put a little more pressur eon him... a bit to much
Sorry but what pressure? The only time you made any reasonable sized bet was on the river. I don't think betting the flop was the worst thing you could have done (personally i'd check) but if you had to bet, min betting is a terrible idea. That's not a poke, that's a joke. You have 26 000, the pot is 1000 and you bet 200.
I want to ask you something. Do you really think the other guy would of pushed HIM OUT OF HIS HAND WITH STRAIGHT FLUSH? lmao, you all saying here wrong wrong, if hed bet 800 or pot the guy would of just called and it would of end bad in river. If you are saying the other guy would of raised even hed bet out 800 post flop and post turn he would of just called his raises to get some more in river and it would of end the same way - ALL IN.
There was no way out so I dont get it why to whine about minimum in that sitation?
because he shouldnt of bet the minimum on the flop, to even of got himself into that situation in the first place, as awood said anyone with a high heart would be calling and there is already a few people in the pot, so to bet the min in first position is not good
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Posted by Kristan: I want to ask you something. Do you really think the other guy would of pushed HIM OUT OF HIS HAND WITH STRAIGHT FLUSH? lmao, you all saying here wrong wrong, if hed bet 800 or pot the guy would of just called and it would of end bad in river. If you are saying the other guy would of raised even hed bet out 800 post flop and post turn he would of just called his raises to get some more in river and it would of end the same way - ALL IN.
There was no way out so I dont get it why to whine about minimum in that sitation?
For the record I said in my earlier post the best option is to check and not bet at all. Although it is not by any means certain that this would save him from seeing that river and losing chips.
But if i was going to bet the flop I would bet at least 600 and if I was going to bet the turn it would have to be a pot sized bet. Only then could I be sure he didn't have top pair or a straight. I would still fold to a raise but most likely he would call as he has the nuts. If I had played it this way, which I wouldn't recommend, I could then check call the turn as I have a strong enough hand. The pot wouldn't be big enough for the other guy to push all in and I'd have to put my opponent on a good hand.
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Posted by awood88:
Posted by Kristan: I want to ask you something. Do you really think the other guy would of pushed HIM OUT OF HIS HAND WITH STRAIGHT FLUSH? lmao, you all saying here wrong wrong, if hed bet 800 or pot the guy would of just called and it would of end bad in river. If you are saying the other guy would of raised even hed bet out 800 post flop and post turn he would of just called his raises to get some more in river and it would of end the same way - ALL IN.
There was no way out so I dont get it why to whine about minimum in that sitation?
I would still fold to a raise but most likely he would call as he has the nuts.
No Kidding! And that is how they still would of ended betting in river. There is only one thing tho, I think in deep and exp. enough tourney I would of just called his reraise in river assuming he had flopped set and full house on river, but that depends a lot from tourney.
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played terribly, as played to river - i would NOT have kept raising here, not in fear of straight flush (Im not Jesus) but in fear of a better fullhouse. But, as played - yes i would have called the allin. Gotta take risks in a tourney, if you wanna be good on FT - but seriously - played absolutely terribly.
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Posted by jessthehuman: played terribly, as played to river - i would NOT have kept raising here, not in fear of straight flush (Im not Jesus) but in fear of a better fullhouse. But, as played - yes i would have called the allin. Gotta take risks in a tourney, if you wanna be good on FT - but seriously - played absolutely terribly.
The flop should've lite up the warning bells. Since villian flopped the nuts, check calling was the best option to get paid with this hand. Had he bet out aggressively on the flop, he probably would have scared u off. Instead, he let u hang yourself with the check call.
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lol how can u just check the flop, well he can but in my eyes f**k that if u can try steal the pot with bottom pair go for it bet 800 he has plenty chips, if he gets reraised fold if he calls the guy could still have anything, ok be carefull but u cant just asume he has the nuts thats just f**king crazy in my book lots of time to still take this pot. on the turn i would have bet another 1200 just to make sure he is not floating and planing on stealing the pot off u. he calls again be very carefull u make a full house but what is the guy calling u with depending on the opponent i may check but to tell the truth i would prob bet another 1200 then he reraises u ( judging by his reraise he min raised) 2400, just call as he prob has u beat but he may not. u lose and are 4400 down out of ur stack of 26400 and leaves u 22000. i think this is sound u lose 4400 when u had a full house u have 2200 left to take the tourny down. ffs people is that so bad not in my books with the blinds like that u can get that back no problem
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Posted by Flippedchips: lol how can u just check the flop, well he can but in my eyes f**k that if u can try steal the pot with bottom pair go for it bet 800 he has plenty chips, if he gets reraised fold if he calls the guy could still have anything, ok be carefull but u cant just asume he has the nuts thats just f**king crazy in my book lots of time to still take this pot. on the turn i would have bet another 1200 just to make sure he is not floating and planing on stealing the pot off u. he calls again be very carefull u make a full house but what is the guy calling u with depending on the opponent i may check but to tell the truth i would prob bet another 1200 then he reraises u ( judging by his reraise he min raised) 2400, just call as he prob has u beat but he may not. u lose and are 4400 down out of ur stack of 26400 and leaves u 22000. i think this is sound u lose 4400 when u had a full house u have 2200 left to take the tourny down. ffs people is that so bad not in my books with the blinds like that u can get that back no problem
I think its crazy to bet that flop especially with the min, a 800 bet wouldnt be as bad but you're bound to get called by at least 1-2 of them & you've only got bottom pair, and then if I did bet and someone called I would shut down, he definately wouldnt be floating with others in the pot & the bet was in first position so you would think that he has something, and if they're all calling pre-flop then he could easily have an 8 so betting the turn isnt good either
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flopping the nuts...lol
