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Forum new guy so Hi,
I need some suggestions here folks. I can play decent and grind up the money fine. Then all of a sudden, out of nowehere BAM!!! Crazy play that I can't explain/justify.
Has anyone got any suggestions as to how to stay focused?
I can usually last for at least a couple of hours then things just go tits up. It's really frustrating after grinding away and building a stack, then when things go hand dead I just go nuts and sometimes more than 1 table suffers. I've tried playing up to 4 tables and it doesn't seem to make a difference, after that period of time passes, the idiot head goes on and I lose money.
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Hi Zxanthion.
Try to 'cut' your sessions. I found that my play go high when do little break. I do it every 300/400 hands. You need to multitable more. Play only in 1 table is EV- . Focuss on it is a time question.
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Thanks. I think I'll maybe just sit out a few rounds of blinds or something everyone hour or 2. I hate missing hands for one and I also hate leaving a room once you've got a good read on a couple of the long lasting players.
B1gfoot, I don't even know I'm getting frustrated sometimes. Within a split second I've went from what seems like stable headed to complete numbnut. Obviously the frustration has been building in there though.
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EV stands for Expected Value. An EV+ move means that this move will be winning money on the long run. EV- is the contrary. You can also say it for conditions of playing. Thats why im asking why does he think single tabling is EV-
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im the same way...i can play for a while well and then get bored and make a dumb move or a wasteful bluff....i just had a few weeks break so we will see what happens in the next little bit
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Posted by Yuki555: EV stands for Expected Value. An EV+ move means that this move will be winning money on the long run. EV- is the contrary. You can also say it for conditions of playing. Thats why im asking why does he think single tabling is EV-
Good stuff. Thanks.
I can appreciate multi-tabling would result in making money quicker (if you're consistently a winning player), but I wouldn't expect it to make a difference to your actual play, other than the boredom factor anyway. Unless, like me with over 4 tables, your head goes up your arse if you get a hand on them all.
Theres a bunch of things you can do. The best is to simply limit all your sessions to ones not longer than 2 hours. It sounds like you are generally against this suggestion so here are a few different ones off the top of my head.
Play music in the background. I find I have more patience in a relaxed environment. Try playing some different games. I find that my holdem game improves if i sit on a omaha table as well. Just because I cant set myself on autopilot. Varying games even single tabling is a good idea also. Play some horse tournaments. Some of my best sessions have been in non holdem games. You would be surprised at how badly people play games like Omaha Hi. By doing this i keep poker interesting. Lastly theres always adderall
Don't play at the same table(s) for too long. People will start to get a read on your play and adjust their game accordingly. Try to find another table when your up roughly 2 to 2 1/2 times your buy in.
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Posted by SCDossett: Theres a bunch of things you can do. The best is to simply limit all your sessions to ones not longer than 2 hours........
Sounds like some good idea's there. I've only played Omaha once and didn't have a clue what was going on. Somehow I didn't do too badly but that's not the point lol. Other than that, it's been Hold 'em all the way for me. I'll give some of them a go and see how it turns out. That adderall doesn't sound to bad either....
Posted by psycokiller: Don't play at the same table(s) for too long. People will start to get a read on your play and adjust their game accordingly. Try to find another table when your up roughly 2 to 2 1/2 times your buy in.
I like to use that to my advantage sometimes. People can get too aggressive if they think you're too tight/weak and then all of a sudden you're taking most of their stack off them with their sketchy bluffs.
Everyone is saying I've just to limit my sessions so it seems that's probably the best bet. No doubt after a couple of hours I'll be back, but at least with a fresh mind.
Thanks for the idea's folks. Next years WSOP here we come!!
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Posted by Zxanthion:
I can appreciate multi-tabling would result in making money quicker
I can do that too, but thats not a EV+ factor imo, because EV+ is much more used for moves than conditions. And for conditions, its like "Playing drunk is EV-", but nothing to do about multi-tabling, because it's only good for a single table. So what he means is that you get a better game playing multi tables, what i dont think is true.
Anyway, to stay focused on the game, what i do is not to play more than 3 hours in a row (unless I play a MTT, but usually, I'm excited enough when I still got through after 3 hours in a MTT to stay focused). Also, I dont know whether its EV- or not, but what I like to alternate cash game and SnG. The other thing (this is certainly EV-, so i dont recommend it), is that i play only one table, and do other things on the net at the same time, so its just an additional stuff, and not the only thing I'm doing (Im not getting bad results at all with it, but only playing micro limits and DoN sit n gos). I hope this helped you
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Posted by Chartoule: Hi Zxanthion.
Try to 'cut' your sessions. I found that my play go high when do little break. I do it every 300/400 hands. You need to multitable more. Play only in 1 table is EV- . Focuss on it is a time question.
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Posted by Yuki555:
Posted by Chartoule: Play only in 1 table is EV- .
Id be interested to know your explanation of this.
I will try.
We need to find the best situation for us. If we can play in 4 table as good as we do in 1, play 1 table is EV-. I think a begginer can play between 2-4 tables in a few time, so play 1 table is always EV-.
Of course, if we play worst playing 10 tables than only 8 (me) is EV+ play 8..
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Posted by Chartoule:
Posted by Yuki555:
Posted by Chartoule: Play only in 1 table is EV- .
Id be interested to know your explanation of this.
I will try.
We need to find the best situation for us. If we can play in 4 table as good as we do in 1, play 1 table is EV-. I think a begginer can play between 2-4 tables in a few time, so play 1 table is always EV-.
Of course, if we play worst playing 10 tables than only 8 (me) is EV+ play 8..
Bye and sorry for my limited english.
Sorry this is twisted logic, Chartoule. You're using EV in the wrong context, basically what you're saying is that your game improves the more tables you play when really, the opposite is true. Successful players, who mass multitable, know they are losing EV but do so, so they can increase their hourly rate - That doesn't make their decision to reduce their EV, EV+.
. Focuss on it is a time question.
