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  7-Jun-10, 23:45   #1
How to play Ace King in..... 0 
aznguy777 
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In late postion,final table,everyone has about equal chips.SB raises.WHat do you do?and what are your tells.or would u prefer JJ over the AK?

     
  7-Jun-10, 23:52   #2
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Joe_Average 

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?? sb raises? Did you just limp with ur AK in late pos. ? Or did he reraise? How big was ( were) the raise(s)? More info plz.

     
  8-Jun-10, 00:15   #3
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Mast3rKush 
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Depends really... I dont play much SnG, I'm mostly cash but in either case if i'm in the BB and SB raises, I'm pretty much reraising/pushing like 80%-90% of the time unless i peg villain as an aggro maniac or a nit in which case i prob changed it up and adjust accordingly. JJ/TT i play pretty much the same way... ofcourse all dependant on reads..

     
  8-Jun-10, 00:43   #4
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pricea 
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only play ak when a call girls riding you cock

     
  8-Jun-10, 03:38   #5
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teteban 
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I don't get the question...you are in LP and the SB reraises you? Or you limped (wrong!) and the SB raised ? or you flat called some callers behind (wrong again!) and the sb raised? and how much did he raise?

     
  8-Jun-10, 06:40   #6
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paulparadiis 

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Posted by teteban:
I don't get the question...you are in LP and the SB reraises you? Or you limped (wrong!) and the SB raised ? or you flat called some callers behind (wrong again!) and the sb raised? and how much did he raise?

Exactly, your question is not very specific. Club

     
  8-Jun-10, 07:27   #7
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dorinba 
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How I understand its MTT (Final table) so its depend, I think its better if rase was not big you can call and see the flop and after this decide. Usaly I play more tight at final table.

     
  8-Jun-10, 08:47   #8
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youngbaboon 
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You defs gotta be more specific. But, it all depends on your opponent. How has he been betting. How much will he call with? Do you feel comfortable going all in with that? It all depends on the players you're playing with etc. Also, you don't have to go all in on an AK. I would just give a raise off the preflop. Probs not a reraise unless the situation calls for it i.e. you small stacked/ he's small stacked.

     
  8-Jun-10, 10:23   #9
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kazman 
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Posted by dorinba:
How I understand its MTT (Final table) so its depend, I think its better if rase was not big you can call and see the flop and after this decide. Usaly I play more tight at final table.


Thats what i do also.
Just play tigh at the final table and i see no need to move all in with AK. Just see the flop and them make an feeling bet. Should he then reraise u and you didnt hit on flop, then just fold and wait for a better spot.

     
  8-Jun-10, 11:35   #10
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Tchungpo 

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The situation you describe is not really clear because it seems that you limped AK on the dealer ! that would be a big mistake.
Now, lets admit he REraise your raise on the dealer... well it depend of the size of the reraise and of the player profile.
The man make a small reraise : in most case you can call and see what's happens on the flop.
Now lets see the player profile :
-aggressive : you spotted him as a player raising many times, well you can even push all in on his reraise knowing that most of the time AK will beat his hand
-Tight : the player is tight. Well you should be careful because you might really be facing AA or KK. If the reraise is really low, maybe you can call, but if he hold AA or KK you are still in troubles.

Let's see your goal : You are happy to be in final table, you are paid out that's all you were targeting so you just dont take to much risk to take one ore two places more.
You just target top 3, well you should be really aggressive with your AK : you need at least one dubble up to reach this first place, so lets take a shot !


So here you see that the situation is always more complex than just a hand and a player moving !

GL

     
  8-Jun-10, 13:27   #11
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magatt966 

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from the few informations provided i hope you are in BB so the answer should be reraise 3 or 4 times original raise.
but you said you are in late position so I guess you limped your AK (I would never do it, expecially in final table)
as you are in late position I should consider how many callers there are in the hand and would play as follow not to take too much risks:

only SB----> i should reraise 3 or 4 times
more callers------> just call and wait for the flop



Edited by magatt966 (08 June 2010 @ 13:33 GMT)


     
  14-Aug-10, 19:16   #12
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fini 
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hey all!
Ace-King, especially when suited, is a very strong starting hand in No-Limit Holdem Poker. However, unless you connect with the board you will have only an ace-high hand to show down at the end. This makes playing ace-king problematic in some circumstances.

These include your stack size, position at the table and the tendencies of opponents who are already in the pot, and those yet to act.
The stack size of both you and opponents in the hand are a critical factor in playing ace-king. If the effective stacks (shortest stack in play) are small then your best move is often to get all-in before the flop with this hand.

     
  15-Aug-10, 22:52   #13
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tomboogy 

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Although you're confusing as hell...here we go. First of all, as others have told you, don't ever limp with AK (there are exceptions indeed, when it's a good idea, but that's another story).
If you get raise from the SB, there are 2 things to keep in mind:

1.) How many blinds do you each have? This makes the difference between a shove/call.
If you're shortstacked, shove (duh), if you have around 30BB you can raise 3x if the SB has been active (if he's TAG-ish I prefer just a call), 40-50 BB+ it's a raise anyway too see where you stand before the flop.
If he's TAGish and after you re-raise him he 4bets you allin, I think it's a def a fold -> most of the times you'll be facing AA and KK, sometimes AK, and sometimes you'll be racing against QQ, JJ or (rarely) TT.
2.) How tight has the SB played? This makes the difference between shove/fold, if you're standing on less than 15 BB (this is arguable, but if I consider that if you have <15 BB and facing a raise, it's push or fold right there, because if u really want to play the hand you would be comiting yourself, and if push you still have some fold equity)

     
  16-Aug-10, 07:13   #14
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Assad91 
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obv ICM spot if it's a FT so then we need to know the payouts Smile

     
  16-Aug-10, 11:36   #15
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tomboogy 

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I don't think ICM is to be taken into consideration here, he said they were all even stacked...although he didn't say how many people at the table (i guess final table just started = 9/10 players) and he didn't say anything about a deal being made either so.. Confused

     
  16-Aug-10, 14:35   #16
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svedin91 
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Call to see flop. If you hit it, just play aggressive.

     
  16-Aug-10, 21:53   #17
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tomboogy 

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Don't wanna bust your balls or anything...but that's quite a simplistic advice there, don't know how much good it'll do him.

And if he doesn't hit?.............

     
  17-Aug-10, 19:15   #18
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IslandJack 

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Posted by tomboogy:
Although you're confusing as hell...here we go. First of all, as others have told you, don't ever limp with AK (there are exceptions indeed, when it's a good idea, but that's another story).
If you get raise from the SB, there are 2 things to keep in mind:

1.) How many blinds do you each have? This makes the difference between a shove/call.
If you're shortstacked, shove (duh), if you have around 30BB you can raise 3x if the SB has been active (if he's TAG-ish I prefer just a call), 40-50 BB+ it's a raise anyway too see where you stand before the flop.
If he's TAGish and after you re-raise him he 4bets you allin, I think it's a def a fold -> most of the times you'll be facing AA and KK, sometimes AK, and sometimes you'll be racing against QQ, JJ or (rarely) TT.
2.) How tight has the SB played? This makes the difference between shove/fold, if you're standing on less than 15 BB (this is arguable, but if I consider that if you have <15 BB and facing a raise, it's push or fold right there, because if u really want to play the hand you would be comiting yourself, and if push you still have some fold equity)


Very nice tomboogy!
Like the way you answer the question.
Definitely good to have some more people giving a clear and well thought-out opinion on some of these questions.

unfortunately the guy who posted it was a 2-time poster and hasn´t been seen for more than a month.
You can check that by clicking his name and seeing his profile.
Nevertheless, some people could really use that kind of advice, like svedin91 there... Blink

Don´t think he even read your answer.
Anyway, I agree with you answer.
And the <15 blind thing is debatable,as you say, but I haven´t been playing long enough to have a clear opinion about it yet.
Still trying out a lot of short stack stuff.

     
  17-Aug-10, 21:23   #19
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oliver082298 

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Posted by aznguy777:
In late postion,final table,everyone has about equal chips.SB raises.WHat do you do?and what are your tells.or would u prefer JJ over the AK?

all in Big Smile Big Smile

     
  18-Aug-10, 07:06   #20
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atownshend 
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Posted by tomboogy:
Although you're confusing as hell...here we go. First of all, as others have told you, don't ever limp with AK (there are exceptions indeed, when it's a good idea, but that's another story).
If you get raise from the SB, there are 2 things to keep in mind:

1.) How many blinds do you each have? This makes the difference between a shove/call.
If you're shortstacked, shove (duh), if you have around 30BB you can raise 3x if the SB has been active (if he's TAG-ish I prefer just a call), 40-50 BB+ it's a raise anyway too see where you stand before the flop.
If he's TAGish and after you re-raise him he 4bets you allin, I think it's a def a fold -> most of the times you'll be facing AA and KK, sometimes AK, and sometimes you'll be racing against QQ, JJ or (rarely) TT.
2.) How tight has the SB played? This makes the difference between shove/fold, if you're standing on less than 15 BB (this is arguable, but if I consider that if you have <15 BB and facing a raise, it's push or fold right there, because if u really want to play the hand you would be comiting yourself, and if push you still have some fold equity)


Good advice, I would shove is I was 10 BB or less. Also if there are nine at the table
I might just call an see what cards fall. Often players that have simmila small stack sizes will take the opportunity to double up and shove all in if raised with a wide range of hands. Wait and play more aggressivly when there are 6-7 at the table. Spade

     
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