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Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
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Is it true? Good players get more badbeats then bad players?
Fact: Good players get it in more EV+ then EV- right? So: Lets say 75% they get it in with the best hand preflop/on flop/turn. So: They get far more in the situation they can get a badbeat then bad players.
Fact: Bad players get it in more EV- then EV+ right? So: Lets say 75% they get it in with the worst hand preflop/on flop/turn. (thats why they are loosing players) So: They get not so much situations to get a badbeat cos you cant get a badbeat when ur allready 25%/75% behind right?
So good players get more badbeats then bad players?
Joined: Feb '10
Location: Finland
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Not so sure if they get more, but they do end up more likely in a tourney with getting a bad beat, rather than giving one itself.
My last run in pkr gold tourney eg. was QQ vs frenchman AK - & no doubt he hit Ace after calling my all in postflop (what a surprise right lol) - pot over 150k and I was left 20+ places. Not putting myself in a front row of good players, but I do see those situations more than often while playing tourneys.
Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
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yeah is right.The only think that help sometimes,when u ask your self wtf how can he call it with this hand.Is to look at his stats and in most times you see the donky lost very much money the greatest donky they beat me lost more then 7800$
YOur so right. Only the Stupid can get lucky. A good player will not get involved in a big hand as the huge underdog. Good players even try to avoid getting into coinflips. They are looking to bet their money as a huge favorite to win the hand. Mostly these situations leave You with only a bad-beat being able t o beat You, while Your opponent can only get lucky by catching a miracle. (Which he does of course... )
Yes I guess you are right with this but still it depends for example in mtt's when you get that bad beat. For me it feels a lot worse when I lose ,very deep into a MTT because of a bad beat. Or when it happens right at the start of that MTT what isn't really bad. My experience is that it always looks that you lose to a bad beat when you can get the real money. You for example lose with AA PF allin with less than 15 people left vs QQ you were 4th the QQ was 1st and of course the Q hits the river. Wich costs you a big payday several 100´s of dollars and a final table.
Later on the room thinks we have to let ´unlucky villain´ win 1 time with a bad beat 2, than you will see that you make that same bad beat only it is just when you start a MTT and when you double up your QQ vs AA. Wich I defenitely think is not the same but it is for the pokerroom.
So my point is you can be even a very lucky player and still lose the most crucial pots wich let you be a losing player. Or that it always looks that the bad beats you make aren´t as crucial as you get a bad beat against you.
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Location: Moldova, Republic of
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Its very interesting analysis. But all depends what you understand is "bad beat". If I loose at river with my top pair against 2 pair or set for me its not "bad beat", just only unluck.
it is also what u describe as bad players. Not many would say Gus Hansen is a bad player but he calls preflop with anything but he is also able to lay hands even if he hits top pair on the table. Just wanna say that I don't play like Gus. Wish i could but i can't lay cards when i hit A on table sitting with AK. GL By the way i feel bad beaten too when i have AA and get called a raise and end allin postflop and he hit two pair with his J9 suited preflop Who is the bad player. Me not laying overpair or him improving a not so great hand
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Posted by Pjot: Yes, I think it's quite obvious, and the analysis you made in the opening post really doesn't leave much to discuss.
why not ? just because you have the better starting hand, doesnt mean its autmatically a bad beat, if you miss flop.
and why cant you get a bad beat if your 25%/75% behind (thats all preflop we talking about)? i know you play tournys or sng, so it might be differently to cash games...because u play less garbage i guess.
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Posted by T3ddyKGB:
Posted by Pjot: Yes, I think it's quite obvious, and the analysis you made in the opening post really doesn't leave much to discuss.
why not ? just because you have the better starting hand, doesnt mean its autmatically a bad beat, if you miss flop.
and why cant you get a bad beat if your 25%/75% behind (thats all preflop we talking about)? i know you play tournys or sng, so it might be differently to cash games...because u play less garbage i guess.
If you have the better starting hand and get beat on the flop, that is not nescessarily a bad bead. A bad beat occurs when you _put your money in_ with the way best hand, and then get drawn out on.
Joined: Apr '10
Location: South Africa
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A bad beat is not losing in a 50/50 situation, good players do get more bad beats, is it a bad beat when th epoor player flops two pair and is rivered with a higher 2 pair, no this is simply his luck ran out
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