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I guess the big highs are over in poker. The most of the fish is out and people are getting better so there is less to win(Only for the rooms) To keep the pokergames running you see No Deposits everywhere and sites that can give you contracts to play poker on certain rooms.
In MTT´s wich are guaranteed you see the number of entrants doesn´t reach the prizepool and than has the pokerroom pay the difference wich they don´t like and lower the guarantees.
Rakeback payback cashback all those things if you are a winning player you don´t need it. Why is it there than just lower the rake for everyone.
If you compare poker with a casino nowadays it is getting almost the same. They get rake from poker and the players have almost equal skills these days so they keep playing eachother and only generate rake by doing so.
Maybe it is about time for me to take my profits and leave the pokercommunity. Hope they change something soon so that it is getting more interested for the players again.
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Posted by dianakyra: In MTT's wich are guaranteed you see the number of entrants doesn't reach the prizepool and than has the pokerroom pay the difference wich they don't like and lower the guarantees.
True, but only cos of summertime and WSOP, after that the GTD will go up again. More to worry about is the french/italian/ect get their own stars.fr/stars.it ect, so its now seperated traffic and GTD will go lower in the future for sure.
Posted by dianakyra: Rakeback payback cashback all those things if you are a winning player you don't need it. Why is it there than just lower the rake for everyone.
Totally wrong, as a winning player why u dont need rakeback? Thats crazy, its free money, allways find the best deal, especially when ur a winning player.
Posted by dianakyra: I guess the big highs are over in poker. The most of the fish is out and people are getting better so there is less to win(Only for the rooms) To keep the pokergames running you see No Deposits everywhere and sites that can give you contracts to play poker on certain rooms.
If you compare poker with a casino nowadays it is getting almost the same. They get rake from poker and the players have almost equal skills these days so they keep playing eachother and only generate rake by doing so.
The standard of play went up yes, but still so many fish, tards and spew in the sea. With just TAG ABC poker and brains which function its very easy to make profit on any room on the net. If u dont ur playin crap or dont use ur brains, simple
Note: The numbers of players (total traffic) is still on the up for this year (as every year), not as high as former years but still up. So deffo the years of online poker are not over.
Your last comment about the number of players are still up for this year. Are there players who deposit on their own or is that money provided by ND and pokercontracts. I think the last (kunstmatig in leven houden noemen ze dat)
Yes and there still is a lot lucky fish around
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The segregation of player pools is a problem. Some governments are taxing pots too heavily. Still, I think new players are discovering poker. The industry needs some restructuring since .com sites have lost players to .it and .fr sites. Most players are improving their skills but there are still people who play for fun.
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I think you just need to up your game.
I personally dont see a big diffrence in the games, for G games not to reach the prizepool is a good thing, not that I actually se them, please do post any overlays you spot.
winning, losing, break even, you need rakeback and bonuses, if its there take it, extra $. But do get you point about why not just lower the rake, its a business, they dont want to give you rakeback etc, but they know you will play elseweare.
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I voted for tatal BS, although I think it is not _total_ BS, just a little. Players are getting a bit better, but not so much that one can't win on low stakes anymore. I'm not very good, but I still make a steady profit.
(Althoug it's not big enough that I would be playing if i didn't think it was fun. Gotta like the game too.)
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Only if you want to show it off Im actually not suggesting you do have a problem, but you can vew things like this..If the games are getting harder then its possable your becoming weaker (not sying you are BTW) Or, if say you are crushing NL50 its not to say your skills are good enough to jump on to NL100, I think we all have a point in wich we find our limits, perhaps you have found yours. Why be a break even player at NL100 when you can crush NL50.
I dont think you need to give up just open some outher routes, such as choosing a diffrent site to play at, the likes of PS is loaded with grinders, take rakeback it can only bring in more money and choose your tables or tourns that you play so that there is more likely to be more fish, factor in time etc etc..
Poker itself has got a little "harder", probably due to the likes of all the poker training rooms, books, coaching and all the software you can get. But fish will come and play always, you might just have to look a little harder to find them..
Again IMO poker is not on the fall, summer slows it down and stupid laws, but poker will live on.
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Yes, the hype is over. The number of new players will be lower than a few years ago, and goverments trying to regulate the games for their people will kill off poker in some countrys. But one will still be able to find some games.
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With all those flashing banners and free this and free that, there cannot be a shortage of fish. But don't expect to earn an easy living of this game. On the other hand there are professional players hired by the sites to make money on the lower levels. They play for a percentage of the winnings. Therefore it is not so easy game as back in the 2003 - 6.
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i agree with u a lot my friends leave playing online poker and just enjoy only live poker events at casinos or some 5-10 peoples play at the home becouse to many now dumb deals there on all poker sites and to many fishes won it so all clever justtry to find something else several years ago we all can enjoy online poker with no such great dealing system like at this time there aa or kk in hand is week cards and u ll loose it about 70 % so several years ago if uhad aa or kk u ll win is about 90 % quaranteed
I think online poker is still the only chance to play poker for most of players. For sure there are much more skilled players than few years ago but it doesn't make difference. To have lots of fishes playing against you it's not a guarantee to win a lot and this for poker rooms software generate so many strange hands
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Posted by Mudadzija: With all those flashing banners and free this and free that, there cannot be a shortage of fish. But don't expect to earn an easy living of this game. On the other hand there are professional players hired by the sites to make money on the lower levels. They play for a percentage of the winnings. Therefore it is not so easy game as back in the 2003 - 6.
Lol the thing about the people that play for the site is the stupiest thing I've ever heard. first of all why would a guy who can earn let's say 1000 in a month just play for 500? and why would a site give him a contract, just to beat the money out off the small players so they don't come back after a while?
Sorry but had to react on it, made my day anyway by reading this
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I dont see a dawnfall no matter what. Like Doomdy said above that all it takes is just TAG ABC poker and brains which function, to make profit and be profitable player.
You see in full tilt pros play against eachother all the time in high stakes (rakeback 100% so dont say its not neccessary) and some of them do remarkably better than others.
So dont see how you can say players make minimum profits with such big field and experienced players. Pros know a lot about poker and they are the top of the cream and they dont make minimum profits playing against eachother - and they dont generate rake to ft.
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It is much more worrying that there are a lot of countries now getting banned from poker or i believe it more of the poker sites being banned on those countries. i believe that is the main reason why poker is on a decline, add to it the trouble of depositing due to bank regulation problems.
