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OK. I´ve been playing some more Rush today, and here are some of my thoughts on it:
First of all, it´s definitely not regular Poker. So you can´t really play it as you would a normal cash game or tourney.
Where just calling in a regular game is a weakness, in Rush it´s a safety measure. You have absolutely NO clue as to whom you are playing against. By that I mean agressive, passive, tight, or anything else. So the key is to be carefull of ANY type of raise, and especially checking and trapping, as in regular poker, but then even worse. A LOT worse.
I´ve cleaned out so many people in the last few days in Tourney's, I can´t believe it. Cash is a different story, in the sense that you can only move slowly, or the variance will kill you. I´m talking about No Limit.
I played the Daily Dollar rebuy today, and made it in the money again. Like the regular DD the reward is pretty sad unless you hit the top 20, and I just got $8 somewhere around 250th.
I aslo played a multi-table S&G for the first time, 135 runners, $8+ on a $4 buy-in at 11th.
The cash was crazier, as I made about $14 on the LOWEST limits in about 50 min. Crazy considering 2 cent and 5 cent blinds. I tried a limit higher, 5 and 10 cents, and that was a bit more agressive, pre-flop raise wise, but still made about $3 in 10 min. NUTS!
And that´s exactly what you need in Rush..... THE NUTS!
So the tricks are two-fold:
1st.: ALWAYS fold to any big raise. Unless you´re holding AA, don´t even try it! People are playing so many hands in Rush, the number of AA is crazy. With any other monster hole cards, try to see the flop for a reasonable raise, because believe me, KK gets busted all the time unless you hit trips with them. And that´s the last thing you want, especially in a Tournament. Even in a cash game the +EV of KK is not the same as in a regular game. You´ll see your whole stack go on a regular basis if you play those Kings or Queens like you should in a regular game of No Limit.
2nd.: This is the big one. Play ANY suited connectors, down to 5-4, and ANY pairs. But fold them to any big raise, of course. I play most connectors, suited or not.
While everyone is playing the high pairs and broadway hands, you´re playing lowball with small cards, and coming at them when they don´t expect it. Flushes and Straights. BAM!! There goes their stack! and it´s yours....
THIS ONLY WORKS if you play Rush this way:
When the blinds are still low, play the game FAST. Quick-fold any useless cards and move on. Play as many hands as you can to hit those Flushes and Straights when the blinds are low and you can afford it. Try to build that stack as quickly as possible, and don´t be afraid to fold if you sense trouble. Even if you don´t sense it, just don´t take any risks. When youve got the nuts, and you will often playing so many unraised or low raised pots, you´ll know it and can trap and bust the big hands. You´ll be seeing so many hands in a Rush Tourmey, it´ll feel like a month´s worth of Poker.
As the game progresses, slow down. You´ll see a lot of players get busted because they´re playing too fast and can´t survive the blinds. You´ll be moving up faster than in any other kind of Tournament.
I´ll be playing Rush all week, and we´ll see if this kind of strategy keeps paying off. So far I´ve played the Daily Dollar, the Daily Dollar rebuy (without rebuying), the Midnight Madness, a135 player S&G, and Rush low limit cash, and hit well into the bubble every time or made some cash. In those 3 big tournaments I beat a total of more than 21.000 players and left only about 400 ahead of me. Gotta be doing something right.
I hope this helps, and any thoughts, comments, or ideas will be very welcome!
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I think this is very good advice. i was starting to come to this conclusion myself.
I just bust out of the daily dollar but this time I think I played it right. I hit a Q on the flop with my AQ. The pot was about 3/4 of my stack and in rush tourneys you can't afford to slow play so I pushed. Got called by a guy with 77 and he hit one of his two outs on the river.
I think you need to play monster hands aggressively and good hands cautiously.
I do think though that playing rush cash games is different from rush tourneys. You can afford to trap and call for value in cash, play implied odds cos you know you can top up but in the tourneys you can't afford to go short-stack even when the blinds are still small.
just only play the best 3 starting hands cause that whats every1 else plays, always play like you oppennts have aces and you carnt go wrong with rush poker, i think you should play like this until the final table, cause a player carnt keep folding and moved to another table to find them aces that fast, as its the last table,
but good advise jack and i see your game has inproved too well done
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I cant comment on the tourn games as Iv only played 1, however it does make sence. But I do play alot of cash games and make nice profit. So here is some cash advice. 1 table is not enough, yes its fast but you can still fall in to the trap of playing bad cards after having to fold 50-100 in a row due to bad cards, bad position etc etc.. Position is uttermost, as in any poker game but her its vital. Yes do fold to them big bets. Play your normall game of poker, dont assume people are only playing AA KK, 3 bet is power. The comment on how to play KK is wrong IMO, get your whole stack in, play it excatly like you would in a normall game, raise, re-raise all in baby. As doomdy was saying the outher day, you canot be scard that someone has AA each time you get KK, yes you may bust out a few times but most of the time you will win a stack. Its true that its a very swingy game thats why you must drop limits so you can withstand the swings. And last, protect your blinds, but dont get cocky doing it, know when LP is on the rob and when he has a hand, but protect it dont be bullied.
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@B1gfoot
About the KK´s, Imust admit I never play cash games, so my exprerience is very limited in that area. I was mostly saying that I think the % +EV (if there is such a thing) is different in Rush. I have a Tourney mind in Poker, and have a lot to learn before I can make any knowlegeable comments on the subject. It is definitely still +EV, so I´ll go with you and Doomdy on that one for sure. And I definitely agree on protecting your blinds, especially in cash. I steal the blinds myself because people play more scared in Rush cash, and I see a lot of folding.
But in a Tourney, as long as you are playing the low blind, fast Rush part of the game, just dump them. Nobody can get a take on anyone anyway, and you will not be building any kind of rep, be it protecting your blinds or running scared.
In a Rush tourney I just wouldn´t ever go all-in with the KK, in a regular of course...definitely! There are just too many AA waiting for you in a Rush game I seem to notice. Too many people are folding to get to them, so there is often someone holding the AA. And considering the number of hands you can play in the low blinds, just don´t take the risk. As the game progresses and blinds go up, the value of your big hands goes up again, just like in regular poker, and you can play them as usual. Push push push.
Remember, you´re changing tables every hand, and more often than not, facing monster holdings of AA and AK, like dozn says, so your KK have much less of a chance. And in a tournament, out is out.
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I do get what your saying, but im not sure if its right to play that way long term, as far as I see it, for each time your KK runs in to an AA, the exact opposit will occure, someone elses KK will run in to your AA, I think for that reason you should be going all in with KK, at least re-raiseing to get max EV. Unless its a raise, re-raise, re-re raise them sort of horrid hands.
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My two cents on the KK argument:
In rush poker you have absolutely no read on your opponent preflop. Some idiots seem to go all in with K 10 but loads of people wait for the best hands. So imagine you make a standard raise with KK and get re-raised. If you go all-in 1 in 10 times you're up against AA (believe me) and a lot of the time you're up against an ace which sometimes must hit. So at least 3 in 10 times you lose by going all in.
Now if this is a rush cash game it makes sense to push KK everytime as long-term you will make a profit. But if it's a rush tourney you play so many hands that you'll find yourself in this situation five times where a call is make or break. Now if you lose just one of these times you will make no money so even long term playing 100 rush tourneys you will lose by over-playing KK.
So unless you're committed it is better to be safe in rush tourneys but in rush cash it's just a question of lower limits in bankroll management to avoid the extra "swinginess".
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Posted by doomdy: Nice thread +1
Dont agree folding the KK, thats insane.
trust me doomdy, its not hard folding those KKs when player rush poker.
very nice advice. actually im doing almost exactly what you have in there. if you're good at regular poker carefull when trying rush as it can and will seriously affect your normal gameplay.
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@awood88 Exactly my point. Thx awood!
@Im2good4u I was just noticing your point today trying a regular tournament and a S&G. A DISASTER!! Rush really screws you up in terms of regular Poker. Especially if you try to play both at the same time, like I did today...
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Was looking before for some tips from pros etc on the net, but not a lot there youtube has lots of nice vids on how not to play tho. Some are saying that in the tourns you should be playing LAG, i dont agree TBH, they say as most people are playin TAG its in you favor.
BTW think its great that RUSH is getting some talk on stratergy, and TBH this site seams to be giving out the best advice, but remember RUSH is still new and im already starting to see the changes in peoples play, but the fish love it there and im certinly finding it much eaiser to make good profit. @awood88 dont forget that final table also got you in to the 50k frereroll, GL.
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Posted by IslandJack: OK. I've been playing some more Rush today, and here are some of my thoughts on it:
First of all, it's definitely not regular Poker. So you can't really play it as you would a normal cash game or tourney.
Where just calling in a regular game is a weakness, in Rush it's a safety measure. You have absolutely NO clue as to whom you are playing against. By that I mean agressive, passive, tight, or anything else. So the key is to be carefull of ANY type of raise, and especially checking and trapping, as in regular poker, but then even worse. A LOT worse.
I've cleaned out so many people in the last few days in Tourney's, I can't believe it. Cash is a different story, in the sense that you can only move slowly, or the variance will kill you. I'm talking about No Limit.
I played the Daily Dollar rebuy today, and made it in the money again. Like the regular DD the reward is pretty sad unless you hit the top 20, and I just got $8 somewhere around 250th.
I aslo played a multi-table S&G for the first time, 135 runners, $8+ on a $4 buy-in at 11th.
The cash was crazier, as I made about $14 on the LOWEST limits in about 50 min. Crazy considering 2 cent and 5 cent blinds. I tried a limit higher, 5 and 10 cents, and that was a bit more agressive, pre-flop raise wise, but still made about $3 in 10 min. NUTS!
And that's exactly what you need in Rush..... THE NUTS!
So the tricks are two-fold:
1st.: ALWAYS fold to any big raise. Unless you're holding AA, don't even try it! People are playing so many hands in Rush, the number of AA is crazy. With any other monster hole cards, try to see the flop for a reasonable raise, because believe me, KK gets busted all the time unless you hit trips with them. And that's the last thing you want, especially in a Tournament. Even in a cash game the +EV of KK is not the same as in a regular game. You'll see your whole stack go on a regular basis if you play those Kings or Queens like you should in a regular game of No Limit.
2nd.: This is the big one. Play ANY suited connectors, down to 5-4, and ANY pairs. But fold them to any big raise, of course. I play most connectors, suited or not.
While everyone is playing the high pairs and broadway hands, you're playing lowball with small cards, and coming at them when they don't expect it. Flushes and Straights. BAM!! There goes their stack! and it's yours....
THIS ONLY WORKS if you play Rush this way:
When the blinds are still low, play the game FAST. Quick-fold any useless cards and move on. Play as many hands as you can to hit those Flushes and Straights when the blinds are low and you can afford it. Try to build that stack as quickly as possible, and don't be afraid to fold if you sense trouble. Even if you don't sense it, just don't take any risks. When youve got the nuts, and you will often playing so many unraised or low raised pots, you'll know it and can trap and bust the big hands. You'll be seeing so many hands in a Rush Tourmey, it'll feel like a month's worth of Poker.
As the game progresses, slow down. You'll see a lot of players get busted because they're playing too fast and can't survive the blinds. You'll be moving up faster than in any other kind of Tournament.
I'll be playing Rush all week, and we'll see if this kind of strategy keeps paying off. So far I've played the Daily Dollar, the Daily Dollar rebuy (without rebuying), the Midnight Madness, a135 player S&G, and Rush low limit cash, and hit well into the bubble every time or made some cash. In those 3 big tournaments I beat a total of more than 21.000 players and left only about 400 ahead of me. Gotta be doing something right.
I hope this helps, and any thoughts, comments, or ideas will be very welcome!
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I havent tried the tourneys yet. will try it later. BTW how long does a tourney take? time is the reason why i switched to rush poker since ive only got like an hour of player everyday.
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Posted by Im2good4u: I havent tried the tourneys yet. will try it later. BTW how long does a tourney take? time is the reason why i switched to rush poker since ive only got like an hour of player everyday.
The Tourneys play a lot faster than the regular ones, because of the quick-fold and players busting out faster, but they´re still tourneys, so 1 hour won´t make it. ...unless you get busted before then...
Been having a horrible Rush day today, but it´s mostly because I had a bad day in general and am bit tired of playing so many hands/hour all week.
Going to try some regular Poker (or nothing), and go back to FT tomorrow.
Glad to see people are discussing the game. It´s interesting.
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if 1 hour wont cut it, how about 2? im gonna try to free up some time so i will be able to play a tourney. and as my bankroll just plummeted to $30ish from $70ish what rush tourney would you recommend?
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Posted by Im2good4u: if 1 hour wont cut it, how about 2? im gonna try to free up some time so i will be able to play a tourney. and as my bankroll just plummeted to $30ish from $70ish what rush tourney would you recommend?
There aren´t that many Rush tournaments all day.Mostly the big ones are turned into Rush this week.
Less than 2 hours:
If you want cash, play the 135 player S&G at $4+40. 15 get paid out.
If you just want to play some, go for the Double Deuce sattelites. Only between $1+10 to 1.50+15 I think. Usually about 100+ runners when everyone is signed up. About 4-6 will get a $22 ticket, up to 8-9 some low cash. Not a lot to lose on those.
Good luck!
@dozn: Tanks for the compliment. My game seems to be improving every week. Little by little... I really should start reading more, but I´m still too lazy....
I really don`t like rush poker because on it peoples plays only if they have good pair or something like that. In this type of poker i losed all my money
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Thanks IslandJack, i really havent tried those tourneys maybe next week ill free up some time. you might wanna join as well ive got a similar name there so you'll know. about the $22 ticket, is it convertible to cash?
and i see your game has inproved too well done 
ive got a similar name there so you'll know. 
