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Posted by stojaca: @ jessthehuman
What do you think about this "bad beat"? (look atached image)
straight flush 7-J lose to straight flush 9-K....
Coincidence, variance, s**t happens .... Dont be naive, this is RIGGED like hell.
LMAO @ YOU . OMG. I ask for 10K+ HH. And you show me ONE hand as proof a site is rigged and you think you're smug here? I think you're a f**king spastic.
actually, you know what I really don't get. Aside from all the morons thinking that by stating "This is a fact" rather than providing empirical evidence that they are on to something. Is why the f**k you idiots are even playing online. I honestly don't know what is dumber, your arguments without ANY evidence, or the fact you believe it's rigged and still pay? ?
I foresee special places for all of you in the pages of a Darwin Awards book one day.
Edited by jessthehuman (14 August 2010 @ 00:50 GMT)
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Posted by reja:
it's not rigged at all! :d
I assume your joking.
But just FYI: There is an incredible amount of hands being played online every single day, across many different sites. This sort of stuff would actually be statistically likely to happen a lot more than you'd think.
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ARE YOU ON DRUGS ?????????????????? Of course online poker is rigged.You show me 10,000 hands and proof it isnt !!!! Have you ever tried collect data from a poker site ???? Its not as easy as you think ,hand historys often go missing and are deleted if you complain to a site !!!! You say sites wouldnt risk getting caught by fixing it !!!! CAUGHT BY WHO ???? sites are unregulated and if you read the small print most sites check their own RNG's - FACT From what i have read ,you sound like you work for 1 of these sites or are a newb who has not played online for more than 1 year .
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Quite funny some of the replys, @ kingfisha stupid response, its inocent untill proven guilty, so you go look at 10k hands and prove it is. Collecting data is so friggin easy, and I dont even have to collect it I can either buy it or just search a player, that said I do have a huge amount of HH saved from my own play...was very easy..download software..set it up and bang each hand saved... Sites are unregulated..well if you play them then you deserve to lose your money, the ones I plar are regulated...Cigital test most good sites RNGs...UIGEA..Alderney Gambling Control Commission...Kahnawake Gaming Commission...but it does not even stop there, outsiders who have no $ intrest check the sites such as PTR..now tell them collecting data is hard. From what i read ,you sound like you have no clue or are a newb who has not played online for more than 1 year . ARE YOU ON DRUGS!!
jessthehuman is so right, whats the point in crying poker is rigged and then go off and play, you guys must be the ones who stand all day playing cups and balls in back streets and walk home all confused to why you have no money left. You will undoubtably encounter times were things are not fair, that is just a fact of life, life therefor is rigged, lets jump of a bridge in protest.
But just FYI: There is an incredible amount of hands being played online every single day, across many different sites. This sort of stuff would actually be statistically likely to happen a lot more than you'd think.
Yeah but still you probably have more chance 2 win a big lottery than this happens this was really really so sick so fcking sick!
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Posted by B1gfoot:
Sites are unregulated..well if you play them then you deserve to lose your money, the ones I plar are regulated...Cigital test most good sites RNGs...UIGEA..Alderney Gambling Control Commission...Kahnawake Gaming Commission...but it does not even stop there, outsiders who have no $ intrest check the sites such as PTR..now tell them collecting data is hard. From what i read ,you sound like you have no clue or are a newb who has not played online for more than 1 year . ARE YOU ON DRUGS!!
What gambling commisions??? Ofcourse that gambling commision will approve every rigged software because more money house make, they pay more taxes to government.
Dont be naive, gambling commisions works for their local or country governments, they dont care is software is rigged or not. They care how much money will go to country's budget.
LOL, Gambling commisions, I trust them as I trust Hitler to babysitting jewish kids.
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@jess: ofc i was kidding, stuff like that happening is rare or well it will happen "a lot" with the amount of traffic on all pokersites but it might never happen to you i honestly don't think online poker is rigged
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dont do that jessthehuman the walls rigged, they add cement to it so when you smash your head against it blood comes out..govenment cover up, even the site inspectors take backhanders, its all about
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@jessthehuman
how you wanna proof its rigged or not? even if i show you 200K hands played, what you gonna do with that ? whats gonna proof the HH from one single player...nothing. i can imagine the pokerrooms collect tons of hands the user use to play on certain limits. so all you have to do is evaluate and cheat however you like to....you as pokerrooms sit at the source. its all just bits and bytes and as easy 1 2 3
to say the generate so much rake that it isnt necessary...well, humans are greedy, we daily get cheated.. no matter if you buy cheese and in fact theres only 10% cheese init and the rest is some other stuff, even tho it says 100% cheese.. or why do they mix cocain, thats worth 1 billion, with powder to sell for 5 billions...like 1 billion isnt enough regulated or not, gaming commission are also just humans....give em a few dollars or buy em a car and a weekend with 5 bitches and they will do whatever you like - money is power.
i dont know nor do i even care if its rigged or not, but one thing is for sure: if its rigged, you definatly generate 20x, if not more, the rake as if it wasnt rigged in my opinion. and if thats not worth rigging the software lol...
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Posted by T3ddyKGB: @jessthehuman
how you wanna proof its rigged or not? even if i show you 200K hands played, what you gonna do with that ? whats gonna proof the HH from one single player...nothing. i can imagine the pokerrooms collect tons of hands the user use to play on certain limits. so all you have to do is evaluate and cheat however you like to....you as pokerrooms sit at the source. its all just bits and bytes and as easy 1 2 3
to say the generate so much rake that it isnt necessary...well, humans are greedy, we daily get cheated.. no matter if you buy cheese and in fact theres only 10% cheese init and the rest is some other stuff, even tho it says 100% cheese.. or why do they mix cocain, thats worth 1 billion, with powder to sell for 5 billions...like 1 billion isnt enough regulated or not, gaming commission are also just humans....give em a few dollars or buy em a car and a weekend with 5 bitches and they will do whatever you like - money is power.
i dont know nor do i even care if its rigged or not, but one thing is for sure: if its rigged, you definatly generate 20x, if not more, the rake as if it wasnt rigged in my opinion. and if thats not worth rigging the software lol...
It's like this. Let's say you produce all your HH and they DO indicated statistical anomalies. Then you post these hand HH (upload them and provide access, there's programs around that will analyse them). Then share this across the hardcore forums, 2+2, etc. At this point, get HH from other users on the given site until you have a considerable amount. If these statistical anomalies prove true across this breadth of HH then you know you are correct and the RNG is flawed/rigged.
However, if you're not willing to do this. I don't see what right you have to slander these rooms.
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dont care if its rigged or not...i play..u play...so why bother? if u dont like online poker dont play...if u dont like ndb dont takem..if u dont like bankrollmob then leave!
quote from bigfoot1.... couldnt of put it any better!
jessthehuman is so right, whats the point in crying poker is rigged and then go off and play, you guys must be the ones who stand all day playing cups and balls in back streets and walk home all confused to why you have no money left. You will undoubtably encounter times were things are not fair, that is just a fact of life, life therefor is rigged, lets jump of a bridge in protest.
seems to me its all the newbies to the site complainin about online poker bein rigged and all the forum regs are defendin it! maybe isildur got sicka losin money and hired abuncha kids off the street to maka fuss of it?
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by T3ddyKGB: @jessthehuman
how you wanna proof its rigged or not? even if i show you 200K hands played, what you gonna do with that ? whats gonna proof the HH from one single player...nothing. i can imagine the pokerrooms collect tons of hands the user use to play on certain limits. so all you have to do is evaluate and cheat however you like to....you as pokerrooms sit at the source. its all just bits and bytes and as easy 1 2 3
to say the generate so much rake that it isnt necessary...well, humans are greedy, we daily get cheated.. no matter if you buy cheese and in fact theres only 10% cheese init and the rest is some other stuff, even tho it says 100% cheese.. or why do they mix cocain, thats worth 1 billion, with powder to sell for 5 billions...like 1 billion isnt enough regulated or not, gaming commission are also just humans....give em a few dollars or buy em a car and a weekend with 5 bitches and they will do whatever you like - money is power.
i dont know nor do i even care if its rigged or not, but one thing is for sure: if its rigged, you definatly generate 20x, if not more, the rake as if it wasnt rigged in my opinion. and if thats not worth rigging the software lol...
It's like this. Let's say you produce all your HH and they DO indicated statistical anomalies. Then you post these hand HH (upload them and provide access, there's programs around that will analyse them). Then share this across the hardcore forums, 2+2, etc. At this point, get HH from other users on the given site until you have a considerable amount. If these statistical anomalies prove true across this breadth of HH then you know you are correct and the RNG is flawed/rigged.
However, if you're not willing to do this. I don't see what right you have to slander these rooms.
statistical anomalies..i guess your talking about monster vs...? the funny part is...you can cheat and there wont be statistical anomalies and has nothing to do with being on the winning side or something. there is dozen combinations on how to do it i could think of.. what you say sounds plausible, still i think its nearly impossible to proove if its rigged or not, except you have full insight in the software. how you wanna proove something that has thousand of possible combinations that can be change every single hour. im not talking about that its in "someones" favour to be the winner or a superuser account (that would be easy to catch), it just has to keep you in the game with high rake and still end up with normal statistic. in the next hour you can use the backdoor "variance" and so on asf.. there is so many ways to do it and in the end you still can blame the software as long as its in no ones favour (by that i mean players). think its word vs word and hard to proove.
now if i think about it, i have to say it is rigged in "some way"... but please...attention those who say "winning player/losing player"...read carefully, maybe you know what im talking about.
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Posted by T3ddyKGB:
Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by T3ddyKGB: @jessthehuman
how you wanna proof its rigged or not? even if i show you 200K hands played, what you gonna do with that ? whats gonna proof the HH from one single player...nothing. i can imagine the pokerrooms collect tons of hands the user use to play on certain limits. so all you have to do is evaluate and cheat however you like to....you as pokerrooms sit at the source. its all just bits and bytes and as easy 1 2 3
to say the generate so much rake that it isnt necessary...well, humans are greedy, we daily get cheated.. no matter if you buy cheese and in fact theres only 10% cheese init and the rest is some other stuff, even tho it says 100% cheese.. or why do they mix cocain, thats worth 1 billion, with powder to sell for 5 billions...like 1 billion isnt enough regulated or not, gaming commission are also just humans....give em a few dollars or buy em a car and a weekend with 5 bitches and they will do whatever you like - money is power.
i dont know nor do i even care if its rigged or not, but one thing is for sure: if its rigged, you definatly generate 20x, if not more, the rake as if it wasnt rigged in my opinion. and if thats not worth rigging the software lol...
It's like this. Let's say you produce all your HH and they DO indicated statistical anomalies. Then you post these hand HH (upload them and provide access, there's programs around that will analyse them). Then share this across the hardcore forums, 2+2, etc. At this point, get HH from other users on the given site until you have a considerable amount. If these statistical anomalies prove true across this breadth of HH then you know you are correct and the RNG is flawed/rigged.
However, if you're not willing to do this. I don't see what right you have to slander these rooms.
statistical anomalies..i guess your talking about monster vs...? the funny part is...you can cheat and there wont be statistical anomalies and has nothing to do with being on the winning side or something. there is dozen combinations on how to do it i could think of.. what you say sounds plausible, still i think its nearly impossible to proove if its rigged or not, except you have full insight in the software. how you wanna proove something that has thousand of possible combinations that can be change every single hour. im not talking about that its in "someones" favour to be the winner or a superuser account (that would be easy to catch), it just has to keep you in the game with high rake and still end up with normal statistic. in the next hour you can use the backdoor "variance" and so on asf.. there is so many ways to do it and in the end you still can blame the software as long as its in no ones favour (by that i mean players). think its word vs word and hard to proove.
now if i think about it, i have to say it is rigged in "some way"... but please...attention those who say "winning player/losing player"...read carefully, maybe you know what im talking about.
FYI: " it just has to keep you in the game with high rake and still end up with normal statistic." This is an impossibility.
This just isn't true. I am sorry. I have a background in programming and maths. And I know if there's any case of the sites modifying the RNG in such a way to make you have higher raked hands, etc, or do anything other than be random, it WILL show up as a statistical anomaly. That's the nature of it, if it's random over a large enough sample size, the statistical likely hoods will play out. If it's not truly random, this will also be indicated.
You could use some software to read in the HH, fairly easy to program and you could search for any patterns you wanted. To test any possible rigged/non-random RNG theories that you like. And this is my point, if you believe this about RNGs then it's fair process to actually go to the effort of testing your theories and providing evidence if you're going to bad-mouth these businesses.
Saying it's word vs word is ridiculous. Of course it's word vs word. But so is every crazy crack-pot conspiracy theory. That's like saying it's word vs word man went on the moon. Or it's word vs word that the world is only 10,000 years old (christians).
Poker sites are regulated by various gaming commissions, some of which known to be quite strict. They also rely on a player base that could easily flee to another poker site and certainly would not be likely to risk this.
At any rate, it's really up to the person with the conspiracy theory to provide the evidence. Whether it be about rigged poker or governments in cohorts with the aliens. There's plenty of poker sites which will provide detailed ways in which you can measure your HH for certain statistics. Unfortunately I can't link to any as it'd break forum rules.
As I've said already, if you believe it to be rigged and for whatever reason, still wish to play. Then either keep it to yourself or backup your claims. Because it really is complete slander. And also, I'd say a very high likely hood that around 80-90% of "poker is rigged" supports are micro stakes players and/or losing players. Have a good hard think about that.Or as they say on PKR " /think"
Seriously, HH are easily collected. And easily analysed. Either do your homework or stfu.
for example..
.... Dont be naive, this is RIGGED like hell. 
