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Joined: Oct '08
Location: Germany
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 2025
first of, who the heck are you to tell me to stfu ? i didnt know i have to "study" things i like to talk about before im even allowed to speak lmfao. you can either discuss or ignore it. simple as that.
and here we go again "losing player" lol like i said "read carefully"..just read it over and over again untill you understand what im talking about. if i was a losing player and think that its completly rigged then you can be sure taht i definatly wouldnt play, not even "playmoney".... i cant back up my claims (im not even 100% sure about), its just my opinion that the possibility is very high.
if your that good in math and programing as you pretend to be, then you would know its pretty easy to do so... actually i think you have short sighted way of thinking. if you use different ways to cheat, how can there be an anomaly ? it plain simple appears as being random and no one says it has to run 24hours rigged...for instance make it only 4-5 hours rigged, enough to make the same amount in rake as you would make in 20 hours. if you need further hints on how to (about differnet ways) or still dont know what exactly im trying to say, just say so and ill try to explain.
"it just has to keep you in the game with high rake and still end up with normal statistic." This is an impossibility."
why would that be an impossibilty ? nothing is impossible..
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 6483
only 4-5hrs?
that's not even in a context? 4-5hrs a day for ALL players? 4-5hrs a week for each player? What do you mean. IMO if it's altered for any amount of time that would have a worthwhile impact on the profits of the room, then it's going to show up upon analysis.
"for instance make it only 4-5 hours rigged, enough to make the same amount in rake as you would make in 20 hours"
If by this you mean every day, have a 4-5hr time slot that earned the same amount of rake as the entire rest of the day and you think that won't show up when you check HH.. damn lol
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Posted by T3ddyKGB:
"it just has to keep you in the game with high rake and still end up with normal statistic." This is an impossibility."
why would that be an impossibilty ? nothing is impossible..
It's impossible because you're talking about manipulating the outcome to favor certain hands and then implying the data wouldn't reflect this. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The reason this stands is because given a large enough sample of hand histories.. All the little thieving would add up and this would show. This is the beauty of mathematics I'm afraid.
Imagine if you were stealing takings from your works till. Lets say they take in $2K a day and you pinch just $20 a day. And not everything that gets sold is on record, a lot is off the books. So each day they expect to be $2k +- $20. So on any given day, your thieving goes un-noticed. However, over a year, or 10 years. You are talking about the takings being out $7.3K and $70,300 respectively. Now these figures will be noticed. When somebody considers all the stock, expected earnings over a year, etc. You'r thieving will distort this enough that the expected sales and the 'actual' sales are no longer adding up properly. And audit would be done and eventually you'd be caught for stealing the $20 each day.
It's the same at a poker room, maybe if they did it just ONCE for 4-5 hours of super rake. And never did it again, you would never be able to prove. But what would be the point of that. Even 5hrs a WEEK of super rake, across 100 peoples HH for a year, would distort the results to the point they no longer reflected the averages you would expect. Because it would be more or less consistant across all 100 people. It just doest work. You can't alter it in such a way it gives a noticeable gain and still expect an unnoticeable change in the data output.
Like: 5 hours a week. a week = 7 *24hrs (168hrs) so 5hrs is roughly 3% of a total week. So what you're talking about, is a 3% anomaly. Over enough sample data, probabilities of certain ranges are expected to play out to a MUCH finer margin that +=3% of where you'd expect them to be.
so it: RE:Losing player. I get what you're saying and that you're not a losing player. However, what I said is IMO around 80-90% majority of people who make these claims are losing players AND/OR micro stakes players. This is NOT a fact. Just an opinion based on anecdotal evidence.
P.S
As to your alluding to me "pretending" to know about maths/programming. LMFAO.
Edited by jessthehuman (15 August 2010 @ 03:36 GMT)
lol
