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  15-Oct-10, 17:28   #21
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HsH80 
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Posted by Mober:
Posted by tomboogy:
Yeah....def collusion. I have 3 friends who do this kind of stuff regulary on 1$ sngs...not dons, but still...I was asked a couple of times to play with them, but I don't like this shady plays and didn't do it Big Smile..that is why I mostly play MTTs now and sometimes 1.40$ knockout on ps...but never ever DONs as I kinda think they're retarded..If you know how to play...u should stick to regular SNGs, not DONs...


It is not the first nor the last time that Romanians do that kind of play.
Ive noticed that about sng's and most tournaments, long time ago.
And they dont do it only in the merge network.
They keep talking their language and they even have the nerve to discuss their cards while in play.
All that of course in their native language.
I have translated many times their chats while playing and its easy as 123 to say they are on this together.
On sng's though they hardly speak but i bet for sure they use some chat program to stay connected.
And especially in merge its not hard to prove its a collusion, and i cant find a reason why they dont take measures against them.

I quoted tomboogy on what he said and his location is one more proof about some romanians Smile
I dont want to be misunderstood though cause i dont speak for the majority of them


so true...i was once on an final table with 4 romanians at the merge network...it wasn't that easy to play against them... but it's true that some players from eastern europe are soft playing each other there (but don't get me wrong i have nothing against eastern europeans just hate this kind of soft playing)
look at the us americans or germans they always do their best to eliminate each other Smile

     
  15-Oct-10, 17:41   #22
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BRADYboy 
Joined: Jun '10
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I would say that this issue should be looked at asif what u say is true about them playing absolutely every game together and if they are not playing against each other and letting each other take blinds,etc as its not fair and it is collusion in a way,they probably talking2each other on msn while playing saying what 2do but i think u will find it hard 2prove there is collusion but at least it should be looked at but then again why do u play with them if u think they are colluding,if u are!! Confused

     
  15-Oct-10, 23:33   #23
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Aggro666 
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As I said, Leoooh just play absolutly no one of this DoNs when Realbeast is not on the tables. over 300 games now...

I would say, yes it is not easy to prove, but very easy to take a simple action without harming anyone: (as other sites do)
Specially in DoNs when there is even just a suspect behaviour, simple just do not allow the involved players to sit in the same SnG or cash table together. Life could be so easy..

     
  16-Oct-10, 01:05   #24
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tomboogy 

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Posted by HsH80:
Posted by Mober:
Posted by tomboogy:
Yeah....def collusion. I have 3 friends who do this kind of stuff regulary on 1$ sngs...not dons, but still...I was asked a couple of times to play with them, but I don't like this shady plays and didn't do it Big Smile..that is why I mostly play MTTs now and sometimes 1.40$ knockout on ps...but never ever DONs as I kinda think they're retarded..If you know how to play...u should stick to regular SNGs, not DONs...


It is not the first nor the last time that Romanians do that kind of play.
Ive noticed that about sng's and most tournaments, long time ago.
And they dont do it only in the merge network.
They keep talking their language and they even have the nerve to discuss their cards while in play.
All that of course in their native language.
I have translated many times their chats while playing and its easy as 123 to say they are on this together.
On sng's though they hardly speak but i bet for sure they use some chat program to stay connected.
And especially in merge its not hard to prove its a collusion, and i cant find a reason why they dont take measures against them.

I quoted tomboogy on what he said and his location is one more proof about some romanians Smile
I dont want to be misunderstood though cause i dont speak for the majority of them


so true...i was once on an final table with 4 romanians at the merge network...it wasn't that easy to play against them... but it's true that some players from eastern europe are soft playing each other there (but don't get me wrong i have nothing against eastern europeans just hate this kind of soft playing)
look at the us americans or germans they always do their best to eliminate each other Smile


No prob...thing is...I know I'm risking in making a bad name for my people...but it bugs me too...when I'm in a MTT and some douche keeps telling me "hey man, lets help each over"...and I'm all like...Yeah ok cool, and then don't say a word and bust him out lol. I get a great deal of laugh with my friends when they're beside me while I play, it's pretty funny. But those are the poor players doing that...also...I've seen this stuff done be others...speaking in their own language when they meet in mtt's and such...very annoying..And partially I have to agree with u..this is mostly done by eastern european people...

     
  16-Oct-10, 08:21   #25
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midnight1954 

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reminds me of that old song,,,,,,, gypsies tramps and thieves ,,,,,,,,,,

CHORUS:
Gypsies, tramps and thieves
We'd hear it from the people of the town
They'd call us gypsies, tramps and thieves
But every night all the men would come around
And lay their money down


also sounds like conspiricy theory,,,,,,,but if you catch em,,,hang em up by the balls,,,,

Edited by midnight1954 (16 October 2010 @ 08:26 GMT)


     
  16-Oct-10, 10:46   #26
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Kristan 

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3$ DONs Confused
Can hardly believe its collusion in such small table.

But higher don tables there is a lot of collusion between the regs. It ofc depends from poker site and traffic, but most cases the biggest players know eachother on skype or msn.

     
  16-Oct-10, 11:00   #27
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whamboozeled 

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Posted by Aggro666:
Hi,

what do you think, is this just coincidence or collusion of 2 cheaters.

At the merge Network , I play through BigbetPoker, I have observed several time players playing together on Doube or Nothing SNGs.

I have reported these situations to BBP and got always the same answer: no collusion

Actual you will find very often 2 players in 3$ DoNs:
RealBeast and Leoooh

- Both play at this moment exclusivly these 3$ Dons
- Both players are from the same country - Romania
- Leoooh only played the last 200 SNGs when also Realbeast has been on the same table, no single table without the other
- If one is Bigstacked, one is smallstacked, the bigstack raises on the BB of the Smallstacked and if nobody calls, the BB reraises and the bigstack folds
- if one of them are in the SB bigstacked and the other is auto in the BB, the SB gives a walk...

Would you say, this is all coincidence and normal, or at least suspect and worth for further investigation?






Thats clearly collusion style. Report them to support and avoid their tables in the futur, nothing else you can do about it. Everytime you would be in a hand against at least one of them, the other guy has at least the advantage to know the holecards from the other dude. It absolutly doesnt make sense to play against them because you never have as much information as they do.
choose your battles wisely and keep away from cheaters if you were lucky enough to spot them.
even unregister if they jump behind you in a SNG.

AVOID AVOID AVOID

     
  17-Oct-10, 07:37   #28
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parrix 

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Posted by Mudadzija:
Definitely suspicious, but take it easy and try reporting first. You need to contact support with the nicknames of those players. They will look into the matter.
On the other hand the profit they could make is really, really small so it may not be so likely after all.

Coincidence y think Cool

     
  23-Oct-10, 11:11   #29
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ashtonn 
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collusion m8 ,happens a lot online but sites will always deny...

     
  23-Oct-10, 13:52   #30
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ZmxPowah 
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Posted by HsH80:

so true...i was once on an final table with 4 romanians at the merge network...it wasn't that easy to play against them... but it's true that some players from eastern europe are soft playing each other there (but don't get me wrong i have nothing against eastern europeans just hate this kind of soft playing)
look at the us americans or germans they always do their best to eliminate each other Smile


Yea some romanians teamed up on low stakes of merge network. So it's normal you say all people from eastern europeans do that kind of work.
It's better to team up like we from easter then chip dumping like people from Germany which i already reported 5 times on Stars and they got banned cause it's smarter.
Anyway it's easy to check that kind of situation if it goes on for while.
When i was playing dons on stars i often got "free cash" because they cought a player who cheat and they writed to me i was playing against a cheater and i lost xxx $ for that and they giving me back. Just collects ID from tables , and from hands which they played "weird".
Report and for sure there will be some actions against them.

     
  23-Oct-10, 16:17   #31
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HsH80 
Joined: Apr '09
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Posted by ZmxPowah:
Posted by HsH80:

so true...i was once on an final table with 4 romanians at the merge network...it wasn't that easy to play against them... but it's true that some players from eastern europe are soft playing each other there (but don't get me wrong i have nothing against eastern europeans just hate this kind of soft playing)
look at the us americans or germans they always do their best to eliminate each other Smile


Yea some romanians teamed up on low stakes of merge network. So it's normal you say all people from eastern europeans do that kind of work.
It's better to team up like we from easter then chip dumping like people from Germany which i already reported 5 times on Stars and they got banned cause it's smarter.
Anyway it's easy to check that kind of situation if it goes on for while.
When i was playing dons on stars i often got "free cash" because they cought a player who cheat and they writed to me i was playing against a cheater and i lost xxx $ for that and they giving me back. Just collects ID from tables , and from hands which they played "weird".
Report and for sure there will be some actions against them.


please read my post again i said "some" and not all
sure chip dumpers are from everywhere but i've seen some people from eastern europe at merge which where soft playing each other and always chatting in their language too many times...haven't seen or realized this problem on other networks

Edited by HsH80 (23 October 2010 @ 16:28 GMT)


     
  26-Oct-10, 18:03   #32
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ZmxPowah 
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Location: Poland
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I read whole post and? U better read it again. It sound like... i have nothing against black ppl but i just don't like them all.
And about chip dumping... i reported 8 ppl for chip dumping 5 from them was from German.
Yea... from everywhere. German 5 - 3 Rest of world.
Romanians = whole eastern europe.
Gimmie a break your really lame if u can't see nothing bad in your posts.

     
  26-Oct-10, 18:21   #33
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HsH80 
Joined: Apr '09
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lol you don't get it...but some people are just too dumb

have a nice day mr "razor sharp"





     
  27-Oct-10, 09:41   #34
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mahdrof 

Joined: Nov '09
Location: Canada
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The poker sites are very soft on collusion, so it is no surprise that there was no action taken. I think the best is for you to take action into your own hands and not play that tourney if you have doubts about those two players and it bothers you that much. GL!

     
  30-Oct-10, 15:56   #35
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Rainman 
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Once I run into this situation at Pokerstars and reported. And those players got banned.

     
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