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Joined: Dec '09
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I like mourinho but he really still has not got a patch on alex ferguson, apart from all his sucess with ManU when he started of in scotland another small country like Portugal he spilt the old firm (celtic Rangers) and won the league and won the european cup which is still massive here if you compare it to portugal think of one of the teams that had never won the league doing this making fools of porto, benfica and sporting winning the league then winning the european cup! he also won trophies at a smaller club before that st mirren. I think mourinho is great but really you cant compare him to be as good as Alex at this point for another good few years yet as Alex has been around so long and been at the top. There is lots of great managers but i think if this went to managers to answer would be Alex as his record is just hard to argue with
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Posted by Flippedchips: I like mourinho but he really still has not got a patch on alex ferguson, apart from all his sucess with ManU when he started of in scotland another small country like Portugal he spilt the old firm (celtic Rangers) and won the league and won the european cup which is still massive here if you compare it to portugal think of one of the teams that had never won the league doing this making fools of porto, benfica and sporting winning the league then winning the european cup! he also won trophies at a smaller club before that st mirren. I think mourinho is great but really you cant compare him to be as good as Alex at this point for another good few years yet as Alex has been around so long and been at the top. There is lots of great managers but i think if this went to managers to answer would be Alex as his record is just hard to argue with
I completely agree with you in almost everything. What Fergunson did in Aberdeen was a miracle, in the same way of what Eriksson did with Malmo (won the championship and Uefa cup in the same year) before hecame to Benbfica in the early 80s.
I give more credit to Mourinho than to Alex Fergunson only because of that, Mourinho has proven in the 3 hardest Championhips (England, Italy and Spain, not counting Portuguese champinship that is very small) that he is a true leader. I think Fergunson could be legend right now if he tryed other championships, other challenges, but he is alrerady MU legend wich is a little bit different. I have no doubt that one day if fergunson retires he will ask Mourinho to ocupe his place (or maybe Guardiola), cause he knows that MU needs strong personality in the lead of the team.
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Harry Redknapp, Bobby Robson, and Ian Holloway is just a classic! Also like Terry Venables, and Peter Taylor as he got my Gills FC promoted to the championship! shame they couldnt stay there long
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Posted by cjvfruity: Harry Redknapp, Bobby Robson, and Ian Holloway is just a classic! Also like Terry Venables, and Peter Taylor as he got my Gills FC promoted to the championship! shame they couldnt stay there long
British coachs from the 70s and 80s made school like the netherlands coach of the same era too, but iam not sure if they would survive with such competitive football like it is today.
Before the coachs had strong influence in the players lifes, and today is completely different, they need to control the ego of the players, some of them with an ego really really big (Critiano ronaldo, Zlatan Ibrahimovich.
In that times football weas more passionate, the players where a force of thye nature, now its all marketing, some players doesnt need to be great to be considered on top (David Beckam), and most of the players doesnt have the love to the club at all, like before.
Looking the pros and the cons i am not sure if the old school coachs would survive nowadays. BUT its very important to remember, and look at the past with the respect that they really deserve.
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Posted by vizir:
Mourinho has done a great job with FC Porto but then he had good teams.
So? Alex ferguson has allways been on the same good team, thats why i think Mourinho is so impressive, he won the Champions league with a small team as you said (Porto FC), but then he crushed everyone on the Premier league with chelsea, then went to italy and won the 3 mayor tournaments (Serie A, Champions and Italy cup), and now he is here on the biggest challenge of his career against Barcelona (sadly for me, probable the best team in history) and his doing good so far.
So for me Alex Ferguson < Mourinho < Vicente del Bosque
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Posted by gsarca:
Posted by vizir:
Mourinho has done a great job with FC Porto but then he had good teams.
So? Alex ferguson has allways been on the same good team, thats why i think Mourinho is so impressive, he won the Champions league with a small team as you said (Porto FC), but then he crushed everyone on the Premier league with chelsea, then went to italy and won the 3 mayor tournaments (Serie A, Champions and Italy cup), and now he is here on the biggest challenge of his career against Barcelona (sadly for me, probable the best team in history) and his doing good so far.
So for me Alex Ferguson < Mourinho < Vicente del Bosque
gsarca i didnt put Vicente del Bosque because i didnt had space and i think the ones we have here are at least in the same level as Vicente del Bosque. Even thinking that Spain have a good school of coachs i dont think its the best that football spanish have. This generation of players is too good and of course spanmish coachs are taking advantage of it. In my opinion Portuguese coachs are little bit ahead from the competition, maybe because in portugal we need to improove the technics with less resources.
Talking about Vincente del Bosque i think he needs to coach more clubs to get more recognized, BTW congrats for the world cup, it was well deserved.
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Posted by kinogomes:
Posted by gsarca:
Posted by vizir:
Mourinho has done a great job with FC Porto but then he had good teams.
So? Alex ferguson has allways been on the same good team, thats why i think Mourinho is so impressive, he won the Champions league with a small team as you said (Porto FC), but then he crushed everyone on the Premier league with chelsea, then went to italy and won the 3 mayor tournaments (Serie A, Champions and Italy cup), and now he is here on the biggest challenge of his career against Barcelona (sadly for me, probable the best team in history) and his doing good so far.
So for me Alex Ferguson < Mourinho < Vicente del Bosque
gsarca i didnt put Vicente del Bosque because i didnt had space and i think the ones we have here are at least in the same level as Vicente del Bosque. Even thinking that Spain have a good school of coachs i dont think its the best that football spanish have. This generation of players is too good and of course spanmish coachs are taking advantage of it. In my opinion Portuguese coachs are little bit ahead from the competition, maybe because in portugal we need to improove the technics with less resources.
Talking about Vincente del Bosque i think he needs to coach more clubs to get more recognized, BTW congrats for the world cup, it was well deserved.
You are right, he needs to coach more teams to be elegible, but i still think he is one of the greatest coaches of Real Madrid, he was able to manage the stars (Ronaldo, figo, beckahm, Zidane etc) and make them play as a team, the proof? The year the kicked him out and hired some fancy coach, the team went down and we started a bigdownsing that hopefully will end this year.
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Posted by vizir: You're right but with Inter it was so boring to watch
And sorry but once again you won't win any trophies this season
We´ll see Mourinho took out barcelona last year and he will do it again!!!!
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In liga it's over, 7 points down (with 19 games played though) and they won't won the Champions League with their poor defense. Also, they have no bench compared to Barcelona.
Mourinho took out barcelona last year and he will do it again!!!!
