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Hi
I've been trying to talk about poker a lot more with friends, as I've read this can be a great way to improve your game. We all play around the 10NL stakes for cash games.
Recently I can't help but feel they're over complicating it. The majority, if not all of the players at this level are ultimately new to poker. I hear them talking about level 4 and 5 and so on, ie. what they think you think they think that you have and so on lol.
How do you all feel about this? Is this kind of analysis worth while at these stakes? I actually think I have an advantage in some cases over newer players looking very deep into every move I make. Let's face it, starting out is hard enough and ploughing all your efforts into nit picking every move and decision is probably going to be at the expense of more basic and fundamental principles. You can't build much on poor foundations.
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1st post! And a good one! Congratulations! (You´ll know what I mean by that after a while)
Welcome to the forum muddy4!
And yes, I agree. I think it´s normal to go through the "he thinks that they think etc. " thing somewhere at the early stages of playing the game. It´s kinda fun and inevitable. Inevitable also is that they will go back to talking about the basics (the fundamentals), because without that you´re just playing a mind game, and you might as well do it without the actual cards.
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Posted by muddy4: The majority, if not all of the players at this level are ultimately new to poker. I hear them talking about level 4 and 5 and so on, ie. what they think you think they think that you have and so on lol.
I think it`s good to have 3 levels and no more, especially at NL10. And when you go higher it`s better to use Game theory, rather than 4 or 5 level. And poker software can help you to predict next move of your opponent.
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Ok that confused me, help predict your opp's next move?!
Back to the OP, i completely and utterly agree with what you're saying. At NL10 people ARE generally quite new and the whole ubersickmetamindgames might be a step to far and simply playing a good abc game will make you a decent profit. Of course, stepping up is where it gets harder, but again, if you can adapt you will be fine. Key word here. ADAPT. Adapt to the game, the table, the players, the stakes, everything, you need to be able to constantly keep up and change your game. Nice 1st post though dude, welcome, wilkommen, bonjour etcblah.
I've been trying to talk about poker a lot more with friends, as I've read this can be a great way to improve your game. We all play around the 10NL stakes for cash games.
Recently I can't help but feel they're over complicating it. The majority, if not all of the players at this level are ultimately new to poker. I hear them talking about level 4 and 5 and so on, ie. what they think you think they think that you have and so on lol.
How do you all feel about this? Is this kind of analysis worth while at these stakes? I actually think I have an advantage in some cases over newer players looking very deep into every move I make. Let's face it, starting out is hard enough and ploughing all your efforts into nit picking every move and decision is probably going to be at the expense of more basic and fundamental principles. You can't build much on poor foundations.
Muddy4
Do you remember the lyrics for that song some years ago,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, she knows that I know that she knows that I know , shes two timing me!!
and that saying,, it takes a thief to catch a thief
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Somtimes yu are your worst own enemy and by thinking too much in to things ends up talking yourself out of a winning pot. Poker is very much a math game (for online users) if you stick to basic rules and understand odds then your pretty much already a winner, providing you use the information right. But trying to put a player on a hand is a great thing to do, and the more you do it the better you get, but you not looking to say oh he has AQ, you looking to say he has this range of cards. For up to nl10 all you need is ABC, not much thinking needed, but good pratice, you might have the advantage now but you friends are attemting to learn and understand the game better...slowly slowly catch a monkey.
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Definitely at the lower stakes a lot of strategy goes out the door, as newbies sometimes call with any two cards against a raise like 8xBB with AA, will call to the river and suck out when they river two pairs and your pocket rockets become pocket crapola. But you should still beat these games with proper hand selection and patience. The strategy comes into play against the better regulars. Even at these stakes there are some pretty good players present, so identifying them and applying more advanced poker strategy will work (hopefully!). GL!
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Yea biggest problems on micro stakes... You're trying to be to tricky.... Thinking everyone want to bluff you... Thinking that oponents are thinking that you're thinking... (overrating oponents) Tilt... Getting bored or playing when you really don't want to.
