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  27-Feb-08, 21:24   #1
whats do you consider a bad beat? 0 
crackfinder 
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Im just interested what people define as a bad beat. I heard someone say winning with a AK agains pocket tens is a bad beat just beacuse theres those couple of percent disadvantage. Can someone give a solid definition?

     
  27-Feb-08, 21:28   #2
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jack37 
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I dont so how either of those hands winning is a bad beat. Two over cards against a pocket pair, that is a typical race there, as even as they get. What the poker rooms call bad beats I would agree with. Quad 8s or better getting beat.

     
  27-Feb-08, 21:54   #3
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xxxitaliaxxx13 

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haha a bad beat to me is any time i take it to a show time and loose lol cuz i dont losing and id rather win so therefore its a bad beat lol but nah anytime you have a strong hand its kinda hard to say specifically when

     
  27-Feb-08, 22:24   #4
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lucasdx 
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isnt a bad beat when ur almost certain that u gonna win, and u end up loosing againts the odds?

     
  27-Feb-08, 22:39   #5
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xxxitaliaxxx13 

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yea when you like 97% to win and theres only one card in the whole entire deck that can beat you and they either have it int heir hand on catch it on the river lol Disagree

     
  27-Feb-08, 23:00   #6
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dannyjon 

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being the bad loser i am anytime i lose its a bad beat lol but i did lose the other night i had pocket aces hit third on the flop so have a set my opponent went all in so obviousley i called only to lose to a straight where he hit turn and river now thats a bad beat know matter what anyone tells me

     
  27-Feb-08, 23:06   #7
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xxxitaliaxxx13 

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Posted by dannyjon:
being the bad loser i am anytime i lose its a bad beat lol but i did lose the other night i had pocket aces hit third on the flop so have a set my opponent went all in so obviousley i called only to lose to a straight where he hit turn and river now thats a bad beat know matter what anyone tells me


haha yea that really does suck similar thing happen to me the other day but i only had 10s and when my buddy went all in there was a flush draw and a straigh draw on the table so i folded them but since i was beatin high with them pre flop and post flop i was short stacked teh rest of the nite

     
  27-Feb-08, 23:31   #8
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Im2good4u 

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Yeah, it's really hard to back out when somebody goes all-in and you have trips on the flop. specially aces Aww crap! same thing already happened to me. I mean common, trip aces on the flop, instant call / all in.

     
  28-Feb-08, 00:11   #9
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Predobar 
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Exactly that what Italia said. I can search and quote definition if you like. I think. I folded my Aces not floped today because of stupid flop and some stupid bluffer. I have A-A (no diamonds). One guy has Q-Q Diamond, and other guy has (A Diamond-Q).
flop comes

9 Diamond J Diamond 3 Diamond

Im first i raise small, Q-Q goes allin, and other guy is calling because of A Diamond.
What should i do, i fold i aint going all in on that flop with two people allin.

turn rag river rag

Guy with Q-Q wins. Who would call that one.

     
  28-Feb-08, 00:42   #10
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SicXre 
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A Bad Beat is if u maybe flop top set he calls with under pair and gets runner runner cards
like
Flop 2 5 10
You got TT he has 77
Turn and River is a 7 thats actually a huge bad beat.
Well but thats one of the more harder bad beats...

     
  28-Feb-08, 00:49   #11
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xxxitaliaxxx13 

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yea mine i forget what it was i playin in a tournament with my friends... he called me with nothing too i raised nicely pre-flop he calls, then on the river i had the over pair so he checked i bet medium sized he calls then then turn comes completes a straight and a flush draw so again he checks i bet nicely he goes all in... so i ended reluctaly folding and he shows the bluff, what a donkey lol but he did win it so... cant be that bad

lol terrible feeling eh predobar

     
  28-Feb-08, 01:06   #12
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kingkoopa2010 
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You wanna hear a bad beat well this is what i call a bad beat

10 Seater table i am dealt J Heart 10 Heart Other guy has K Club K Spade

Flop is K Heart 5 Club 5 Spade

For starters i was tilting hell bad with my J 10 i was allin preflop fro about $130 guy with KK insta calls, now on a flop like that i was just about to close the table down untill Big Smile

A Heart Q Heart Comes runner runner, felt so bad but happy at the same timem and that is really what u call a bad beat u cannot get worse than that

     
  28-Feb-08, 03:25   #13
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Predobar 
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I doubled up on that table and left, donks Big Smile. That second guy went on tilt after that hand. because i took him before in allin so this was his 2nd buy in. Other guy was too tight and i said bye bye.

You cannot call that 10-10 vs 7-7 bad beat. you had same chances of hitting the river. Bad beat is when you are holding ex. flush and someone makes a straigh flush getting his 1 or max 2 cards from the deck that is bad beat because his hand had little chance of winning and in the end did win. Or quads same thing he got that single card from the deck. That is why it is called bad beat. If someone flops a set and get beaten by flush on the river, that is not bad beat, it is bad because it happened on the river. But after you flop a set youre next big hand you can make is full house. And chances on getting a full house are smaller than those of the flush so it is not bad beat. Quads on flop vs Straight flush. Hands that are harder to make wins bad beat.

Predobar

     
  28-Feb-08, 07:08   #14
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xxxitaliaxxx13 

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yea for sure lol bad beats are the ones where you get pretty excited when you see the flop and turn and then get called for you all in and turn over your cards see that you have it and i get up from the table the river comes and all the breath comes out of you and ur left there standing like a donkey Shock and your pissed lol Aww crap! Aww crap!

     
  28-Feb-08, 07:35   #15
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SCDossett 
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bad beats to me dont have to be much but when my 70 30 favourite consistently goes down it sucks, i lost four buy ins in like 20 mins and every time i was a favourite, the one time i wasnt a favourite was when i was all in heads up with two over cards and a flush draw in the flop, i then turn an open ender, all the others i have higher pair, get all in and they out draw me.

on top of these four buy ins was another two at omaha like 5 ins later. this was followed by me straight on the turn, getting all in against the set and the board pairing, then in like 5 mins later i set the board, get all in against a straight and the board wont pair.

     
  28-Feb-08, 07:38   #16
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GeneYuss 

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I consider a situation like ace king vs ace 9 and ace 9 wins a bad beat. Even though ace king is only going to win 70% I still consider it a bad beat.

     
  28-Feb-08, 12:59   #17
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Koman 
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If i lose sumthin' like 90% vs. 10% that is "bad beat". but badbeats are part of poker and usually i dont tilt or anything when i face those, only if I am taking shots higher level, or when I am at the bubble on expensive MTT. at long timeline the money comes to me. for example, yesterday I played $5+o.5 omaha hi plo tournament with $35 000 prize pool, and when there was only 40 players left, i had set of aces + nutflushdraw + aces-full-draw on the flop, turn gave me flush, and i pushed all chips i had left in the middle of the table and got two payer. river gave straightflush to other player and then I tilted, now that account is broke. Sad Big Smile but usually i dont care if i'we been beated with massive suckout.

ps. sorry, my english sux....

     
  28-Feb-08, 13:39   #18
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cobbs666 

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quote "phil laak"
"When the session is over, or even between hands, I allow myself (sometimes liberally) the pleasure (but rarely the pain) of wins and loses. It is hard for me to see anything in poker as bad beats. Christopher Reeve (Superman) falling off his horse and ending up paralyzed -- that is a bad beat. Runner runner flush is not a bad beat. That is just poker."

     
  28-Feb-08, 15:20   #19
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Koman 
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Posted by cobbs666:
quote "phil laak"
"When the session is over, or even between hands, I allow myself (sometimes liberally) the pleasure (but rarely the pain) of wins and loses. It is hard for me to see anything in poker as bad beats. Christopher Reeve (Superman) falling off his horse and ending up paralyzed -- that is a bad beat. Runner runner flush is not a bad beat. That is just poker."


exactly that is what i mean!

ps. phil laak is idiot IMO! Blink

     
  28-Feb-08, 16:26   #20
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Predobar 
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Posted by cobbs666:
quote "phil laak"
"When the session is over, or even between hands, I allow myself (sometimes liberally) the pleasure (but rarely the pain) of wins and loses. It is hard for me to see anything in poker as bad beats. Christopher Reeve (Superman) falling off his horse and ending up paralyzed -- that is a bad beat. Runner runner flush is not a bad beat. That is just poker."


Look that Reeves thing is bad luck or destiny. Im sorry for him.

We are talking about poker term "bad beat", and bad beat is not when someone hits his set on river or higher pair, it has nothing to do with those preflop odds you are all tied up to. How many outs you have on flop is where you begin calculations. If you have 8 outs and opponent has 2, if he beats you it is a bad beat. If you both have pairs, you both have, if theres no other draw, same quantity of outs. That is not a bad beat.

     
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