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Here´s a nice video about the pre-flop percentages when going heads up against another hand. Hope you will all enjoy it. Comments and feedbacks are welcome!
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thats pretty good thanx for that... but for me i never understood those odds cuz i dont see how they help cuz you dont no what your other player has so it really doesnt matteR??
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Posted by dannyjon: thknks for this info but im sure most would know this from the quizes online that wweve done or from experiaaance
You would be surprised with how many people actually don´t know about this!
------------ Off course it matters, it gives you an idea of the strength of the hand you are holding. If you know your opponent, know his game, his betting patterns, this can help you in a way that you can even put your opponent all in and you with better chances.
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yea but its only the strength vs that particular hand i could be goin up agaisnt you and i have somethin not that strong but could also be dominating you like i could have 33 and you could have 2 3 or somethign like that so its really i uno
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Posted by xxxitaliaxxx13: yea but its only the strength vs that particular hand i could be goin up agaisnt you and i have somethin not that strong but could also be dominating you like i could have 33 and you could have 2 3 or somethign like that so its really i uno
Im with you on this one. Those odds can be deployed in the game but outcome of the hand is something which no statistic can tell you. As i said in other thread about Setometer, these statistics are ok to know but you should not base you gameplay entirely on those statistics, that setometer stats are far more dangerous these can even do you some good if you dont play by them. This is all perfectly tuned marketing and nothing else. If i hold ?-? how can you tell what are your odds you must guess, than you cannot make the odds, you can guess what he has only when the flop hits the table, not before that, and even that is not certain because he may be bluffing. I look at those statistics and they are fun but completely useless to make your gameplay depend on them.
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Posted by Predobar: If i hold ?-? how can you tell what are your odds you must guess, than you cannot make the odds, you can guess what he has only when the flop hits the table,
I get what your suggesting predobar, but I must confess that I do know what some opponents are holding based strictly on their betting patterns. Of course this is something which is not applicable to everyone at any given time, but in cases like those, knowing the percentages can help you win very large amounts of money. I am a living example of this!
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I seen this video a while ago but its good for new players. The way I found out about these % is the poker odds calculator on c************m . BTW, how do you embed a youtube video? I think I tried the embed link but didn't work.
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Posted by xxxitaliaxxx13: thats pretty good thanx for that... but for me i never understood those odds cuz i dont see how they help cuz you dont no what your other player has so it really doesnt matteR??
Yeah this is why this isn't that important. You have to know how your hand does against a range of the opponents possible hands. eg you're playing a 6handed tourney and an aggro player raises all in for 8BB UTG. I would guess his range would be [66+, A9+,KQ]. It is possible to narrow your opponents hand down to a range of hands he could possibly do this with while it is almost impossible to ever narrow your opponents range of possible hands to 1 hand. If you want to check your odds against a range, download PokerStove (its free) and check it up. I would seriously advise any player to try this as it is massively beneficial to your game. And please nobody reply with "software aids is evil" cos thats just silly. It improves your game. Full stop. Also, look into how to use ranges in poker please.
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I would guess his range would be [66+, A9+,KQ].
It is only a guess, he could be stone bluffing or overbetting his hand that why those statistics are tricky. It does help you if you are new to poker but you will fold to many hands if you ran into me and you play by those odds. I dont like that kind of play at all i do play it though only because everyone else is playing like that and if theres an A on the flop youre beaten most of the time if you dont have something. I like loose games going into hand with all sorts of cards that way you really have to guess is your opponent really holding a nuts or dont. Either you lose big or you win big. Tight play is not all about strong cards, go to lowest limits possible and try some loose playing but not with totally crap cards, like 7-2o try playing small connectors, small suits and you will find out that it is much more fun. But as i said when everyone folds if they dont have A-Ks than it is pointless to call a raise with small connectors unless you are really loose. Try to guess what some noob at low limits is holding is it J-4 or K-5, suited non suited, but bad thing about noobs is that they usually overbet their hand and you can end up being on tilt after few beats. If you dont believe me look at those videos of pros where they check or call small raises with such cards they dont play only A-Ks or A-A. Those hands are either slow played or allins. They knew they have the same odds hitting the flop with crap and strong cards, you go allin with A-A only to avoid being beaten by some crap cards not because they are a must win hand.
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yea for me its all based on the feelings you get while your playing with certain people because like predobar mentioned they can be bluffing or over betting or anything but thats why software is a good helper for you to check you chances of winning period, like my poker indicator does, it bases on the cards you have and the amount of players and etc... while i only use it to get a visual of the % i dont use it for much else
P.S - predobar i noticed you stop signing your posts lol with the any reason? lol
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What the hell? Have ye guys any idea what I'm saying? So you guys actually don't understand what a range is? You just get a "lucky feeling" and call or fold based on that???? Thats just quality. Absolute quality.
Thats like one of the most basic things in poker theory and you are saying its useless? Have you any idea how to analyse a hand?
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P.S - predobar i noticed you stop signing your posts lol with the any reason? lol
LOL. IE 7.0 doesnt support over 999 items on page(kidding)
I understand you completely what youre trying to say but you dont what we are trying to say to you. It is good to know stats but dont base your gameplay entirely on those stats because you statisticaly would won more hands but will you be able to get money back you lost playing like that. When you lose against the odds you lose big, and if you play only A-K you wont get so much action and it is not likely you will end up in positive numbers. Maybe you will that is luck factor it has nothing to do with stats.
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Great video..nothing I didn't know though but still great. But we have to remember that these percentages is if it went to showdown(5 community cards), by that I meen 77 can be stronger than the math facts because if you raise pre and continue on flop it's hard for KQs or KQo to call without a hit or draw and therefor they only got 3 cards and not 5 to use to kill ur 77's So im trying to say that the math strength of a hand isn't allways the playable value of a hand.
Just my point of view please comment if you think im way off
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when im playing in a heads up match i usually try to be the agresser as if your to timmied you get bullied all over the table butu not to agressive tho or you will also get stung but always try to take the game at your speed not thers
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i recentley played heads up at dmh poker and it was for $20 i had aa aand got called all in so called to find he hit kk flop came out a kk was gutted what were the chances of that so i now only play small and never go all in first hand even with aa or ak
any reason? lol
