I don't know if you have faced this situation ( I suppose so because it's really common ). That's only an example:
The aggressor open the pot raising 4 BB in mid2 and you, in the button, call with AQ. Blinds fold. Flop: J Q 7. Your opponent pushes! You call and he shows 66! What happen after that is not relevant for our discussion.
I would like to know why he pushes if he has 3 overcards! Would he push if he had J5 in his hands and flop were 5 Q 9 ???
Lastly I've called some people having low-mid pairs and they act like if they were having the best hand of the world. Risking all your stack having only 2 odds?? Are they donks, bad bluffers or there are a strategy behind that action that i cannot understand?
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SS can get away with it, if deep stack its just a donk move. Your call in late looks like you in for the ride, should be re-raising with them. Yer its hard to say if they are donks or not, it would depend on the table, but in generall plaing mid/low PP is just for set mining, no set no bet. If villian gets down to HU, it would depend on what he thinks about your range style etc, putting in a c-bet would be fine pushing all in nahhh, plain madness.
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Perhaps some are little short in poker basics is the only reason I can come up with lol. If SS - then its ok. If depstacked then like B1gfoot said - plain madness.
Ty for your answer, master. Indeed, each situation requires a deeper study. As you said, if he is short-stacked, is a stop-and-go movement. I only wanted to share that, in my humble opinion, as you said, low-mid pairs are useful to get the set in flop or to try to bluff. But I can extend the thought with high pairs. Why people are pushing with JJ with aces, kings or queens in the flop? Poor way to defend his hand, inmho, but i might be wrong
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Before reading the title I thought it's about pre-flop push. Post-flop with overcards it's pretty suicidal, even if opponent didn't hit anything and calls with 2 overcards there's still a good chance that they might lose and no good player wants to shove his money as an underdog.
most of the players that I've seen that push with low medium unimproved pairs on the flop are donkeys or maniacs. Not any real strategy other than trying to get a better hand to fold. Once in a while I see where a stronger player pushes with them because he senses that the other opponents are weak themselves.
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maybe they just think that you dont have anything and they try to push you out,especially in cash games,people would pay on anything and thats thing on which all of us must be prepared!
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Depends with who you're playing. On deep it's crazy to call with AQ on QJ7 flop the push ^^ because you will mostly see sets. But it could be easy some donk who was u played weak before and was thinking "hey maybe i will get him fold too".
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Posted by DaMessiah666: I don't know if you have faced this situation ( I suppose so because it's really common ). That's only an example:
The aggressor open the pot raising 4 BB in mid2 and you, in the button, call with AQ. Blinds fold. Flop: J Q 7. Your opponent pushes! You call and he shows 66! What happen after that is not relevant for our discussion.
I would like to know why he pushes if he has 3 overcards! Would he push if he had J5 in his hands and flop were 5 Q 9 ???
Lastly I've called some people having low-mid pairs and they act like if they were having the best hand of the world. Risking all your stack having only 2 odds?? Are they donks, bad bluffers or there are a strategy behind that action that i cannot understand?
They push because they are donks They push because they cant fold pocket pair, they push because they hoping for 6 on the river... And because of them my friend we can beat rake and be profitable so dont talk about that let them think that this is right way to play. shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
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I see 2 possibilitys in this situaction. He was playing 66 trying to show that he had big pair ( AA, KK or QQ out of position) and tryed to force you to fold in flop, or he was assuming that you was calling ordinary hand you didnt hitted the board.
Usually i dont push mid pairs out of position, most of the times i limp and try to trap the opponent in case i hit set or something big. In this case i dont blame him if he made c-bet, i can only blame him if he made all in, in this case that kind of all ins shows alot of weakness.
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I think this player is maniac or donk. Maybe he had you on AK and thought you missed the flop and wanted to muscle you out before you hit straight or one of your overcards. But I do see a lot of people raising with low pocket pair, I push back with KK or AA, they reraise all-in preflop and doesn't it hurt when their low PP hits a set? Oh well, poker!
is the only reason I can come up with lol.
They push because they cant fold pocket pair, they push because they hoping for 6 on the river...
