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Right or wrong moves?  +2   
Some hands (sorry not a HH) played out in diffrent games, just woundering how you feel the play is, good, bad, stupid etc etc...how would you play them hands in that situation?
Plese dont say we need more info, iv gave all that is needed.

1.Tounament - blinds 600/1200 ante 150

Hero has 67o from the big blind with a 57k stack
Folds around to the button
Villan on button min raises (as normall) and has a 20k stack
Hero pushes all in

2.Tounament - blinds 100/200

Hero KQo in late position with a 4k stack
VIllan is a reg player and super aggresive raises to 600 with his 7k stack
Hero pushes all in.

3. Cash game NL100
Hero KJs in late position with a stack of $230
Villan in mid position (stack $180) with a wide range makes a raises to $5
Hero raises to $15
flop a79 rainbow
check - check on the flop
Turn Q no flush draw
Hero bets $12

4. Cash game NL100
Hero on big blind with 33 stack $120
Villan in late bets $3 (LAG player) stack $100
Small blind re-raises to $9 and has fairly weak range
Hero re-raises to $18

Edited by B1gfoot (28 December 2010 @ 11:39 GMT)


     
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the first one seems taff. but you describe it as somekind of read, so i can follow that hand in a way.

second one is hard, but i mean you have no great choices to make looking to stacks and blinds.

I dont like the third hand. Two possibilities:
1) dont reraise KJ, call and maybe attack a flop when he is weak. (or maybe it even makes sense to fold right here)
2) if you raise pre flop you need a conti-bet at the flop. if you check there it might be an obvious bluff betting the turn.

and i dont know if i really re-raise with 33 here against two raisers.

     
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we all have some days in huge and good wins and big bad looses its poker there the luck dealer and poker site decide the winners off the hands and also u must play really clever if want beat your oponent and dealers bad deals Big Smile
good luck this year and be more happy Big Smile

     
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1.Tounament - blinds 600/1200 ante 150

Hero has 67o from the big blind with a 57k stack
Folds around to the button
Villan on button min raises (as normall) and has a 20k stack
Hero pushes all in

Weak position and cards to make a stand. I would try that with something stronger in case he does have a hand and calls.


2.Tounament - blinds 100/200

Hero KQo in late position with a 4k stack
VIllan is a reg player and super aggresive raises to 600 with his 7k stack
Hero pushes all in.

Re-raise but not all-in. He might have a strong hand and is looking to push a few players out and try and isolate one or two players who have good cards but not monsters. Re-raising will give you this info.

3. Cash game NL100
Hero KJs in late position with a stack of $230
Villan in mid position (stack $180) with a wide range makes a raises to $5
Hero raises to $15
flop a79 rainbow
check - check on the flop
Turn Q no flush draw
Hero bets $12

Bet the flop. If he has a wide range and called than he probably has small pockets or some kind of draw.

4. Cash game NL100
Hero on big blind with 33 stack $120
Villan in late bets $3 (LAG player) stack $100
Small blind re-raises to $9 and has fairly weak range
Hero re-raises to $18

Call the raise of the small blind, hope for no re-raise from villain and look for trips on flop. Reraise to 9xBB from SB position is fairly strong.

     
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All standard.

     
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I can understand the tourney hands, even if the KQ push will backfire, if one of the blinds calls. For the cash hands one needs the flow of the game. Both those hands seem strange to me.

     
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Posted by doomdy:
All standard.


Ok, now on a serios note Smile

Dunno if HH is you, anyway its very agressiv play and dont work on low cash and low stakes MTT, but am sure this play is EV+ but its enormous swingy.

Hand1: We are still deep, we can fold, call and see flop, also allin is hyper agressiv to a player who min raises a lot, if he fold we pick up a nice pot, if he calls we have 2 life cards.

Hand2: Allin or fold in this spot for sure, call is out of the question.

Hand3: Full ring or 6max? We can play it like this, not my kinda play but if we know when we are beat its ok poker.

Hand4: Full ring or 6max? I rather flatcall looking for a set but every1 does that right? Thats how the book tells us, no set no bet, in a 6max reraise with 33 is np imo, full ring i wud flatcall.

This is just how i problably play these hands with these given information, but i play TAG and i know ur playin more LAG.

     
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Keeping my comment short as possible; an odd mix of hands.

1st - a little stupid imo. Although the villain is clearly an idiot always min-raising late position, this is the wrong time to make a stand. 4200 is not worth stealing with your stack.

2nd - Pretty much fold or push here so with your read it was the right thing to do.

3rd - not too bad but not good either. No read you have to test the water at some point, you can't wait for a good river card. A continuation bet on the flop might have been better but then there's no need to go broke either.

4th -no excuses imo. definitely badly played. I would never re-raise with a small pair. You are dominated or racing in every case. You've made the preflop pot way too big when your hand is so reliant on the flop. You have to fold to another raise from the loose player even though you could be in great shape. Why would you risk so much on seeing a three, when your opponents could hit bigger sets.

     
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1 Hand - clear FOLD! Even when you really want it, 67 is total crap to go all in - for bluffing you need hand that could stand up, if getting called.

2 Hand - 4k stack = 20bb in a tourney - for me FOLD! 20bb is not so bad at all.

3 Hand - preflop raise 15$ and then post turn only 12$ Confused If villain calls after that he will be outplayed 100% unless he hits KJ in river.

4 Hand - is a LOL for me. Who would reraise with pair of 3s. Actually I know who would, Beyne from pkr.com Big Smile. But hes insane also lol.

     
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Nice to see some good comments comming in..I will explain all the hands etc when we get an argument going..sorry ment more comments.
@doomdy, at FR but each table was SH.
Keep your thoughts coming guys...its how we learn.

     
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I assume KJ as a bad hand to push in tournments, if your not in HU final table. KQ KJ hands for me doesnt have value in terms of steal blinds, only if your sb and you assume that bb is a weak player folding every re raise. Any A bb will call your raise so if you donrt want to risk your chips dont make that kind of moves in the tournment. Very risky.

For the last hand with 33 i would make 3bet raise and not small raise. He could be pushing with a marginal hand and giving him a chance to see flop can be very danger for your stack.

     
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all hands you have mentioned have different situation types... it all depends on the type of your opponents... some of the moves were bad, but mostly good; as to the situation, hero should have known how villain have played considering the number of hands he played against him... my guess is, the hero mentioned was you, therefore you have been in that tough situations quite a number of times, so, of all he people here you should have known better... Blink

     
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OK think I willl drip feed the whys..
1. First of all this move was pre-meditated, my hand here did not matter to much, but the cards I do have mean if I was to be called id have a fighting chance.
I knew for a fact he was going to min raiise, his bet was as good as a limp.
If called and lose im still in the game with 30bb, soving in to 19bb...well little edgy but here i think its OK, as I expect to take it down, some might say overshoving.
This hand is more about the read on the player.
And I end up with an extra easy 5,500 due to his lack of ability to mix up his game.
Just to note, id not have done this move without antes, without a read and with out a stack to continue with.
I here sniggering..youll work it out :}
But remember you should get them to fold when you have the worst hand and get max value when you have the best.

     
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I dont see ur point Mr B1gfoot Smile
Sometimes if an outcome is a win, it doesnt mean the move itself is a EV+ move.
Not saying the push with 67 is a totally bad move, but for sure i dont push that.
You dont help new poker players (this forum has a lot of newbies right? Agree) by saying the correct move is allin with this 67, new players have to simply fold this 67 instant and just play TAG abc poker (which is a winning strategy).

So on this forum i am sure the correct move is fold and wait for cards to play with, if we are more experienced players we can make a move with these or make a stand with this 67, but also as a experienced player we can also just fold this 67 Agree

     
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at least we have an ongoing interesting discussion as everyone think there is a better way to play this situations Smile i like Big Smile

     
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Posted by doomdy:
I dont see ur point Mr B1gfoot Smile
Sometimes if an outcome is a win, it doesnt mean the move itself is a EV+ move.
Not saying the push with 67 is a totally bad move, but for sure i dont push that.

Nit. Big Smile

It is a play the player move, not ABC. Opponent can't be strong, so he will fold most of the time. We win the minbet, blinds and antes, AND hopefully the moron will stop minraising us.

     
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Posted by B1gfoot:
OK think I willl drip feed the whys..
1. First of all this move was pre-meditated, my hand here did not matter to much, but the cards I do have mean if I was to be called id have a fighting chance.
I knew for a fact he was going to min raiise, his bet was as good as a limp.
If called and lose im still in the game with 30bb, soving in to 19bb...well little edgy but here i think its OK, as I expect to take it down, some might say overshoving.
This hand is more about the read on the player.
And I end up with an extra easy 5,500 due to his lack of ability to mix up his game.
Just to note, id not have done this move without antes, without a read and with out a stack to continue with.
I here sniggering..youll work it out :}
But remember you should get them to fold when you have the worst hand and get max value when you have the best.


The antes does make the play a little better as I said in my other post the pot I originally counted was too small to steal. This was not the worst played hand you mentioned by a long way, since this was tourney play and ev isn't always as relevant. But I still don't think this was an example of good poker and clearly you must have doubts of your own or we would not be discussing it.

     
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by doomdy:
I dont see ur point Mr B1gfoot Smile
Sometimes if an outcome is a win, it doesnt mean the move itself is a EV+ move.
Not saying the push with 67 is a totally bad move, but for sure i dont push that.

Nit. Big Smile

It is a play the player move, not ABC. Opponent can't be strong, so he will fold most of the time. We win the minbet, blinds and antes, AND hopefully the moron will stop minraising us.


Opponent cant be strong so he will fold most of times? What if he doesnt Confused How the F can you judge over someone like that? Amazing:S. If you think push with 67 is a good move, you need to go thru poker basics again man - and again - there is your answer why you cannot make profit from poker and stick with freerolls.

lol, play the player. What if he calls? Whos the moron then you or him Confused

     
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Some of them are played well, other ones to make you happy Smile But my opinion could change according to the poker room; f.e. if you play on Party, all hands could be considered well hands Tongue

     
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Posted by Kristan:
Opponent cant be strong so he will fold most of times? What if he doesnt Confused

Then he puts HIS tournament life at risk. And with those two low cards we will most likely have two live cards we can hit.

But of cause we don't want him to call.

     
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