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Joined: Nov '10
Location: Serbia
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I just find out that Betraiser poker room doesnt take rake and fee. Instead of that they take 10% of profit when player withdraws. I want to hear youre opinion about this. Do you thin that this is good for players? Do you think that you will give less to poker room this way?
Joined: Jan '09
Location: Italy
Age: 53 (M)
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I this system is a little bit better than a common one in a room with an average 10% rake/fee. At betsraiser if you are a breakeven you don't have to beat the rake to survive; if you are winner you will happily pay the 10% commission on your withdrawals and, in the end, if you are a looser you give zero money to the fucking dealer who dealt you all those bad beats
Joined: Dec '09
Location: Romania
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 587
Posted by magatt966:
if you are a looser you give zero money to the fucking dealer who dealt you all those bad beats
you dont realize this but you do ) but at least you pay a looot less than any other poker room , the only dissadvantage is the lack of players . but ... the lack of players make te majority of players to play out of theyre bankroll and move to your table , you just have to wait for them ...
Joined: Nov '09
Location: Philippines
Age: 51 (M)
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Posted by jovicakralj: I just find out that Betraiser poker room doesnt take rake and fee. Instead of that they take 10% of profit when player withdraws. I want to hear youre opinion about this. Do you thin that this is good for players? Do you think that you will give less to poker room this way?
judging from the past threads, most players are whinning about the rake, and the complaints about withdrawal fees; they`re the same...
Posted by magatt966: I this system is a little bit better than a common one in a room with an average 10% rake/fee. At betsraiser if you are a breakeven you don't have to beat the rake to survive; if you are winner you will happily pay the 10% commission on your withdrawals and, in the end, if you are a looser you give zero money to the fucking dealer who dealt you all those bad beats
Indeed it's the same thing, that is paying rake while playing or paying a commision only when you withdraw your money and 10% commision on each withdrawal is really a lot...
Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 6197
If a good and big network wud offer this i wud imediately move all my roll to this, its much cheaper then all other pokerrooms. But betraiser has very small player traffic so not intresting for me.
Joined: Nov '09
Location: Canada
Age: 55 (M)
Posts: 2387
I played there at the beginning of the year and liked it. What few players there are very fishy, plus they used to have two daily freerolls and SNGs with very good value. Over the course of the year, however, the freerolls dwindled to one a day, the SNG structure changed and the number of players dropped even more. I withdrew thinking that this site was going to disappear sooner or later... but while I was there rakefree was great!
Joined: Oct '09
Location: Lithuania
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 2805
not bad decision i think but also i want say better play in bigger poker room and have more fun then play in small room win some and never get this win into your poket good luck all and happy new coming year
Joined: Jan '10
Location: Germany
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there is one good effect for weaker players: You need more time to loose your money But this money you dont give the dealer but another player who later on pays 10%. So i dont think there is a lot of difference even though i think 10% is pretty much...
how can people say it's the same 1000 sng at 2+0.2 = 2200(200 to the house) let's say we break even, profit = 0 same player still makes 2200 from 1000 sng without rake 1000 sng at 2 = 2000 but as there is no rake we will make 200 profit and when we withdraw we would pay 10% = 20, which makes net profit 180 So of course this would be better, if there were enough action
Joined: Jan '09
Location: Italy
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Posted by MANUEDO: Do you mean I have to leave them 100 everytime I cashout ??? Ouch, better to be in Magatt'a place, known and happy loser: he never pays anything
yeah ....never
I'm going to challenge you in your favourite game..... playmoney for the ones shouldn't know
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Location: Serbia
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Posted by magatt966:
Posted by MANUEDO: Do you mean I have to leave them 100 everytime I cashout ??? Ouch, better to be in Magatt'a place, known and happy loser: he never pays anything
yeah ....never
I'm going to challenge you in your favourite game..... playmoney for the ones shouldn't know
and as you say I'm a looser I attach my graph
PS: buon anno vecchia spugna
LOOOOOOOOL!!! Great graph!!!!! I loled so much!!! I made deposit on this site last night. just to try it. Well site almost dont have traffic but in this case that can be good thing. Every 4 hours you have 100e guaranteed tournament with 2e buy in. On those tourneys they have between 20 and 35 players registered. So there is HUGE value in playing this tournament. First place is 50e! Also they have freeroll every day for depositing players with 100e prize pool and number of registred players is around 100 players. So every night free 1e tourney. Bad things are: You cant find single SNG that is playing, If you have 1 cash table with 4 players playing that is good traffic Software is very bad, very bad graphic. And I had one very bad hand! I have A K community cards: 9 J Q 5 4 After all in guy shows 10 K
Joined: Nov '09
Location: Canada
Age: 55 (M)
Posts: 2387
I also had questions about the random generator on this site. This is where I ended my two year royal flush drought on hold 'em. Nothing strange there except for the night where I played the daily freeroll and hit straight flush three times, and if I had played a certain hand (where my poker instincts told me to play it but I did not listen) I would have had four! Hmmmmm.......
Posted by mahdrof: I also had questions about the random generator on this site. This is where I ended my two year royal flush drought on hold 'em. Nothing strange there except for the night where I played the daily freeroll and hit straight flush three times, and if I had played a certain hand (where my poker instincts told me to play it but I did not listen) I would have had four! Hmmmmm.......
Joined: May '09
Location: India
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 4873
i think this rakefree option is good for ring game players but if u are winning tournament player then u might end up paying more through 10 % for withdrawal fee. but with poor traffic and bad graphics i dnt think i wud wanna try it
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Posted by SuperNoob: i think this rakefree option is good for ring game players but if u are winning tournament player then u might end up paying more through 10 % for withdrawal fee. but with poor traffic and bad graphics i dnt think i wud wanna try it
Site is bad. But I cant agree with you. I will give you example. I deposited on Party poker 50$ and played 3$ sng. After about 150 sng I have made profit 40$ and earn 100 party points. That means that I gave to them 50$ rake on 40$ profit. In Betraiser system on 40$ profit I need to give them 4$. That is about 1200% more!!!
Joined: May '09
Location: India
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Posted by jovicakralj:
Posted by SuperNoob: i think this rakefree option is good for ring game players but if u are winning tournament player then u might end up paying more through 10 % for withdrawal fee. but with poor traffic and bad graphics i dnt think i wud wanna try it
Site is bad. But I cant agree with you. I will give you example. I deposited on Party poker 50$ and played 3$ sng. After about 150 sng I have made profit 40$ and earn 100 party points. That means that I gave to them 50$ rake on 40$ profit. In Betraiser system on 40$ profit I need to give them 4$. That is about 1200% more!!!
ur point is right but i meant big tournaments not sit-n-gos in some cases when a player wins big game e.g 1000 $ first prize and decides to withdraw he'll be paying 100$ instead of around 5$ rake.
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Posted by SuperNoob:
Posted by jovicakralj:
Posted by SuperNoob: i think this rakefree option is good for ring game players but if u are winning tournament player then u might end up paying more through 10 % for withdrawal fee. but with poor traffic and bad graphics i dnt think i wud wanna try it
Site is bad. But I cant agree with you. I will give you example. I deposited on Party poker 50$ and played 3$ sng. After about 150 sng I have made profit 40$ and earn 100 party points. That means that I gave to them 50$ rake on 40$ profit. In Betraiser system on 40$ profit I need to give them 4$. That is about 1200% more!!!
ur point is right but i meant big tournaments not sit-n-gos in some cases when a player wins big game e.g 1000 $ first prize and decides to withdraw he'll be paying 100$ instead of around 5$ rake.
Yeah that is right but win big mtt tournament with single or few buy in is pure luck, so for constant playing its lot better to give them 10% of profit. I think there is value to play at this site. You cant play only on this site but its OK to play from time to time and with small amount of deposited money...
) but at least you pay a looot less than any other 
everytime I cashout ??? 
