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  29-Dec-10, 20:21   #1
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Mudadzija 

Joined: May '10
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On some sites you can find some live coachings where you can watch someone play and he gets paid for that.
I am trying to improve my game and I watch those when I can. Usually short stack strategy and micro limits.
The only thing is that in the end they all are at least 10-15 bb down.
I've heard of variance, but I've seen seven or eight coachings and all of them were losing.
I am beginning to doubt.
Does anyone know a better way to improve and did you learn anything by watching other people play?

     
  29-Dec-10, 20:36   #2
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shokaku 

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Just watching others play is not enough. They must say why they do what they do, or it is of little help.


     
  29-Dec-10, 21:05   #3
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dozn01 

Joined: Sep '09
Location: United Kingdom
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has any1 coached you to live your life ...................... no they havnt,
and thats what you should do with poker learn as you play your self,

make mistakes and learn from them....(thats what you do in life)( and same with poker)
fook the poker books and live coaching ive never read one in my life,
i dont want anybodys tactics ive learn them by my self........
to inprove your game just look up your history of hands and review them to see where you went wrong or where you can inprove your game.....

the more you play the more you learn. Smile

     
  29-Dec-10, 21:07   #4
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SuperNoob 

Joined: May '09
Location: India
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 4873
Posted by Mudadzija:
I am trying to improve my game and I watch those when I can. Usually short stack strategy and micro limits.
The only thing is that in the end they all are at least 10-15 bb down.
I've heard of variance, but I've seen seven or eight coachings and all of them were losing.
I am beginning to doubt.
Does anyone know a better way to improve and did you learn anything by watching other people play?

10-155 bb isnt much of loss, its not even 1 buyin
whats important is not that they winning or not but important thing is whether they are playing right or not. like shokaku said without commentary, video is kinda useless.
i watched videos of a pro at a small site and it surely helped me
if u have some money to spend, maybe u can try paid coaching that'll surely be better

     
  29-Dec-10, 22:25   #5
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jovicakralj 

Joined: Nov '10
Location: Serbia
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You cant learn from someone how to play yourself! You can learn something for sure but you must find style of play that suits you. You cant play for example like Gus Hansen because you dont have brain and way of thinking like Gus. You can learn few tips but you cant learn how to play like him. You cant see two professional players play same way right?
I think this FT commercial have point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfgMWKQpzLQ
Club

     
  30-Dec-10, 00:37   #6
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dule-vu 

Joined: May '09
Location: Croatia
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when I learned to play poker,basic things,after I just learn to play poker through play and more of hand you play,more you will learn!I watch videos,but just to see hands and way like pro's play on big tournament,but not to copy them!dozn01 is right about what he wrote!

     
  30-Dec-10, 11:12   #7
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B1gfoot 

Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
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Them lice coaching sessions are quite good, but you must ask questions if you dont understand, some will explain well, outher just know thats what they should be doing and dont explain it well.
Like outers say watching actually does very little, you cant watch a football match and start thinking your Beckham AKA Peckerface.
Sure watch them and listern to the whys and you will pick stuff up, putting it in to pratice is alittle harder.
So time at the felt is the best way to learn.
Review you HH see you big losses to you big wins, try find out why one move works on 1 player but not anouther etc.
Stick with the sessions, forget if they are winning or losing (I can almost garentee they are all winning players) and listern to what they are saying.
If you want better coaching you will have to pay, one-on-one coaching is by far the best way to learn

     
  30-Dec-10, 11:22   #8
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mahdrof 

Joined: Nov '09
Location: Canada
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That video link posted by jovicakralj has a lot of truth to it. You need to find your own style that works. Some poker books are worth reading but only after you have spent substantial time at the felt. Watching the pros play is also interesting but be careful about applying some of their tactics at microstakes. Maybe you will find your true game at some other variant like 7stud, Omaha or razz. GL!

     
  30-Dec-10, 11:32   #9
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DaMessiah666 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Spain
Age: 43 (M)
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Watching other people playing is very easy: just open tables in any site, take seat, and watch them. Learning from that is difficult. Most of the times showdown is not reached so ... what did you watch?? Coaching is interesting and may help you to improve. I don't know if it worths because it's usually expensive. As it's said: the best way to improve is playing and I add the following: and studying your hands.

     
  30-Dec-10, 11:41   #10
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
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Winning poker isnt that very difficult, you just have to be very patient and play by the book, i know a cliche but it works, everybody can do it but you need a lot patience and play only by the book, dont make moves, dont make blufs, dont be a smartass. There are some very good books about winning at CASH games, MTT or SNG. Read them, follow the rules, use bankrollmanagement and start building ur roll.

     
  30-Dec-10, 12:00   #11
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IslandJack 

Joined: Oct '09
Location: Belgium
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Posted by doomdy:
Winning poker isnt that very difficult, you just have to be very patient and play by the book, i know a cliche but it works, everybody can do it but you need a lot patience and play only by the book, dont make moves, dont make blufs, dont be a smartass. There are some very good books about winning at CASH games, MTT or SNG. Read them, follow the rules, use bankrollmanagement and start building ur roll.


Since you said you were playing MTT´s now doomdy, any suggestions on books you might have read?

Have always been too lazy to read, but I realize now it can help.
Just started Harrington´s books. (first chapters).
Anything else you suggest? or videos and such.?


     
  30-Dec-10, 12:08   #12
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 6197
Posted by IslandJack:
Posted by doomdy:
Winning poker isnt that very difficult, you just have to be very patient and play by the book, i know a cliche but it works, everybody can do it but you need a lot patience and play only by the book, dont make moves, dont make blufs, dont be a smartass. There are some very good books about winning at CASH games, MTT or SNG. Read them, follow the rules, use bankrollmanagement and start building ur roll.


Since you said you were playing MTT's now doomdy, any suggestions on books you might have read?

Have always been too lazy to read, but I realize now it can help.
Just started Harrington's books. (first chapters).
Anything else you suggest? or videos and such.?



Well i am a bit lazy too so didnt read very much at all Agree
All i read was basicly strategy articles on the net which mostly are chapters from books.

You said it urself, Harrington is the bomb, for MTTs the best imo, for wot i know he doesnt have books about SNG (correct me if i am wrong), but there is also Harrington on CASH but dont know if thats best. For sure Sklansky books are also very common and very good.

Now try to play 100% by the book (no moves, never be a smartass trying to bluff ect).
So u have to study it very carefully, wot handranges do u play at wot position, when i raise/reraise/fold/call preflop, main important is preflop game, when u f**k up preflop mostly postflop is drama.

GoodLuck.

     
  30-Dec-10, 12:38   #13
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Hajinnho 

Joined: Jan '10
Location: Germany
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 1379
Posted by shokaku:
Just watching others play is not enough. They must say why they do what they do, or it is of little help.



they does, at least at the page i know (which i guess is not allowed to be mentioned here, as they also offer Rakeback and deposit bonuses Blink)
They say what they do why they do.... etc. Telling about reads they have because of this and that.

It is even possible that you play and they and a live audience is watching and the coach asks you why you made this fold or raise and says if he would play it differently.


That they are down after those sessions is a mythos Blink

     
  30-Dec-10, 13:38   #14
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kinogomes 

Joined: Feb '10
Location: Portugal
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 998
~Watching live coaching doesnt mean anything. Its better for you check winners playing and thern follow theyr style. Per example. Watch Nanonoko playing, open like 6 tables where is is playing and try to play in the same way he does, i think its better then follow that kind of live coaching. I try to play like Nanonoko but i have something that he doesnt and thats why iam a loser, i suck most of the times in the river (big hands) and he doesnt hehehehe.

     
  30-Dec-10, 15:40   #15
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MANUEDO 
Joined: Apr '08
Location: Italy
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Don't believe they can really teach us something different from what we can read in books. It's a spot only Blink

     
  30-Dec-10, 17:09   #16
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dozn01 

Joined: Sep '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 5000
Posted by doomdy:
Winning poker isnt that very difficult, you just have to be very patient and play by the book, i know a cliche but it works, everybody can do it but you need a lot patience and play only by the book, dont make moves, dont make blufs, dont be a smartass. There are some very good books about winning at CASH games, MTT or SNG. Read them, follow the rules, use bankrollmanagement and start building ur roll.



you hit the nail on the head there doomdy Smile

     
  5-Jan-11, 11:46   #17
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IslandJack 

Joined: Oct '09
Location: Belgium
Age: 56 (M)
Posts: 2851
Posted by doomdy:
Posted by IslandJack:
Posted by doomdy:
Winning poker isnt that very difficult, you just have to be very patient and play by the book, i know a cliche but it works, everybody can do it but you need a lot patience and play only by the book, dont make moves, dont make blufs, dont be a smartass. There are some very good books about winning at CASH games, MTT or SNG. Read them, follow the rules, use bankrollmanagement and start building ur roll.


Since you said you were playing MTT's now doomdy, any suggestions on books you might have read?

Have always been too lazy to read, but I realize now it can help.
Just started Harrington's books. (first chapters).
Anything else you suggest? or videos and such.?



Well i am a bit lazy too so didnt read very much at all Agree
All i read was basicly strategy articles on the net which mostly are chapters from books.

You said it urself, Harrington is the bomb, for MTTs the best imo, for wot i know he doesnt have books about SNG (correct me if i am wrong), but there is also Harrington on CASH but dont know if thats best. For sure Sklansky books are also very common and very good.

Now try to play 100% by the book (no moves, never be a smartass trying to bluff ect).
So u have to study it very carefully, wot handranges do u play at wot position, when i raise/reraise/fold/call preflop, main important is preflop game, when u f**k up preflop mostly postflop is drama.

GoodLuck.


Thanks for the advice.
Kind of gives me hope, because I´ve totally lost my game.
Had so many unlikely results since I started again (going in at 94% to 6%) when it´s time to go all-in, and losing that time after time. Had it happen 6 times again in the last 3 days. It just doesn´t stop, and I´m thinking I´m not cut out for this game. Really gets you down.
Going to start over now, get back to actually reading Harrington and his hand ranges and thoughts, and just start again from there.

Colin Moshman´s still the only reference for sng´s apparently, and Cash i don´t play.
It really gives me hope that you´re doing so well playing ABC in MTT´s, so I can believe it´s possible again.
Yep, i´m kinda down right now, just not getting ahead.
Getting such a long run of statistically unlikely results really f**ks you up, no joke.

Anyway, going to follow your advice, and see where that takes me.
I´ll let you know.

     
  5-Jan-11, 12:27   #18
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mazas 
Joined: Oct '09
Location: Lithuania
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 2805
analise your personal looses and see there u did your biggest mistakes also stop playing bingo poker and try much more better improve your playing skill no bluff and no dumb risks
learn from your real life Big Smile
good luck all and be happy

     
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