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  16-Jan-11, 20:51   #1
Calling with mediocre hands 0 
Mudadzija 

Joined: May '10
Location: Serbia
Age: 41 (M)
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Recently I have started playing my suited connectors even as low as 34. I call the 3xbb plus one for every player who enters the pot. With some luck, I get a straight or a flush, or even trips. If I don't I fold.
Usually, those raising like that are tags who play only monsters, and it feels really good to bust them like that, just like my monsters were.
I know the odds are against that, but I somehow feel in the long run it might be ev+.
Why? Because no one expects it, they go all in instantly. I might lose 2 or 3 times but when I win I win huge.
What do you think?

     
  16-Jan-11, 21:10   #2
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magatt966 

Joined: Jan '09
Location: Italy
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 3847
sometimes I do this kind of move for different reasons: to mix up my game and be unpredictable or just because I'm bored for lackness of good cards ... but only if I have position and blidns are low

     
  16-Jan-11, 22:23   #3
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Lionmart 
Joined: Dec '10
Location: Argentina
Age: 34 (M)
Posts: 82
i play mediocre hands when i play with low bots. or when i like bluff to win a hand to hand..

it depends for example when i betting 0.02 i play with any cards to see the flop.

     
  16-Jan-11, 22:27   #4
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kinogomes 

Joined: Feb '10
Location: Portugal
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 998
For me it all depends of the table your playing. If iam playing HU its obvious that i need to have an open range of hands, and suited conectors are hands that i usually play, but not as low as 23.
If i play 6 people tables the range tightens alot and full ring for me isd compeltely tight game.

Sometimes you can donk a big hand with a weak pre flop hands but the time you loose money with the blinds playing that kind of hands in my opinion its not good for your game.

     
  16-Jan-11, 22:38   #5
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cjvfruity 

Joined: Dec '10
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 272
If I am having terrible luck and getting dealt seriously rubbish cards, I sometimes play around with suited connectors 23 34 etc. I also dont mind taking a little gamble on cards like 710 69 suited sometimes, if I think I can see a flop just by calling the BB I often try my luck.... ya never know

     
  16-Jan-11, 23:34   #6
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awood88 
Joined: Feb '08
Location: United Kingdom
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I play middle suited connectors all the time, (8-9s 10-Js even 9-Js) not every time I get them but I call enough that I'd vote often. However I wouldn't call with cards like 4-5 and I'd strongly advise you not to. When you hit two pair with low cards, you will lose so many times when the board pairs. And if you hit the flush with them you will be putting yourself into a hard situation against a shove.

However calling with middle cards can get you great implied odds, providing you know how to maximise profit when you hit. But I stress I wouldn't call when I'm out of position, when I'm short-stacked in a tourney, when play at my table is loose and aggressive or when I have a reputation as a loose player.

     
  16-Jan-11, 23:50   #7
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m0n0 
Joined: Dec '07
Location: Australia
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 186
once in a while - definitely... when you just feel you need to...and to mix your game style too...
however sometimes I went against gut feeling - it just seemed out of place / too much risk for not much gain...

     
  17-Jan-11, 05:38   #8
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
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If you can enter the pot cheap, and know they will pay you off big time if you hit a big hand, those hands are playable.

     
  17-Jan-11, 09:07   #9
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mahdrof 

Joined: Nov '09
Location: Canada
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I had a thread going about these types of hands about a month ago:

http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=thread&id...

I wouldn't classify these as mediocre hands, for me mediocre is 2-7, 2-4, K-8o, etc. Sometimes if you can see a flop cheap or with a small raise they can quickly become a very strong hand.

     
  17-Jan-11, 11:36   #10
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host85 
Joined: Feb '10
Location: Romania
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in 90% of cases i would like to remember that on the flop turn and river will be at least one high card ...the probability to receive a flush or a straight with 34 suited ( for exemple ) is possible...but i would like to remember that is not so strog if anybody else has a flush or straight with better cards...you can loose everything in this way...my oppinion

     
  17-Jan-11, 11:46   #11
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midnight1954 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 64 (F)
Posts: 1010
Posted by Mudadzija:
Recently I have started playing my suited connectors even as low as 34. I call the 3xbb plus one for every player who enters the pot. With some luck, I get a straight or a flush, or even trips. If I don't I fold.
Usually, those raising like that are tags who play only monsters, and it feels really good to bust them like that, just like my monsters were.
I know the odds are against that, but I somehow feel in the long run it might be ev+.
Why? Because no one expects it, they go all in instantly. I might lose 2 or 3 times but when I win I win huge.
What do you think?



lol,,sounds to me like your one of those players who are upsetting a lot of the players posting in the badbeat thread my friend,, I think they are calling you donkey,,lol,,,

     
  17-Jan-11, 12:59   #12
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Mudadzija 

Joined: May '10
Location: Serbia
Age: 41 (M)
Posts: 128
You didn't understand. I don't push all in with 23 os from any position preflop.
Taking deliberate risk and being silly are two different things.
I know it is against the holy principles of EV playing, but what I meant was: if you have a piece of information on someone which indicates he is a TAG, and I mean old school tag, and he raises some amount on micro or small limits like 10- 15c, I feel it is the right thing to do. You don't lose much and you have a lot to gain, for they will raise all in if they hit their AK os.
You will agree that postflop KK with a top kicker has low chance of winning against a made flush or a straight.

     
  17-Jan-11, 13:07   #13
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oliver082298 

Joined: Nov '09
Location: Philippines
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 1011
Posted by Mudadzija:
Recently I have started playing my suited connectors even as low as 34. I call the 3xbb plus one for every player who enters the pot. With some luck, I get a straight or a flush, or even trips. If I don't I fold.
Usually, those raising like that are tags who play only monsters, and it feels really good to bust them like that, just like my monsters were.
I know the odds are against that, but I somehow feel in the long run it might be ev+.
Why? Because no one expects it, they go all in instantly. I might lose 2 or 3 times but when I win I win huge.
What do you think?

watta feelin' if it happens... Evil

     
  17-Jan-11, 14:41   #14
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Mudadzija 

Joined: May '10
Location: Serbia
Age: 41 (M)
Posts: 128
Posted by midnight1954:
Posted by Mudadzija:
Recently I have started playing my suited connectors even as low as 34. I call the 3xbb plus one for every player who enters the pot. With some luck, I get a straight or a flush, or even trips. If I don't I fold.
Usually, those raising like that are tags who play only monsters, and it feels really good to bust them like that, just like my monsters were.
I know the odds are against that, but I somehow feel in the long run it might be ev+.
Why? Because no one expects it, they go all in instantly. I might lose 2 or 3 times but when I win I win huge.
What do you think?



lol,,sounds to me like your one of those players who are upsetting a lot of the players posting in the badbeat thread my friend,, I think they are calling you donkey,,lol,,,

Yes, it feels much better on the other side of the kebab knife.
I used to whine a lot about my monsters busted. Not any more.
So I proudly admit, yes I am a fishdonkey maniac.

     
  17-Jan-11, 15:25   #15
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host85 
Joined: Feb '10
Location: Romania
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 137
but if you have 23 and you floped 456 .....you are first to act and to say that you make a 3 parts of pot bet , and another person push you all in...what are you doing ....dont say me that you fold the cards Smile)....this happend to me today but i was bb without no raising but the situation was more different i had 56 flop was 478 ....i floped my straight somebody made all in and of course i payed him turn and river was 9 10 ..he had jq... Smile)

     
  17-Jan-11, 23:19   #16
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Hajinnho 

Joined: Jan '10
Location: Germany
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 1379
Posted by Mudadzija:
Recently I have started playing my suited connectors even as low as 34. I call the 3xbb plus one for every player who enters the pot. With some luck, I get a straight or a flush, or even trips. If I don't I fold.
Usually, those raising like that are tags who play only monsters, and it feels really good to bust them like that, just like my monsters were.
I know the odds are against that, but I somehow feel in the long run it might be ev+.
Why? Because no one expects it, they go all in instantly. I might lose 2 or 3 times but when I win I win huge.
What do you think?



hmm, i would say, that you should only do that just in position where you can even have the possibility to still steal the pot if your opponent is to weak... otherwise it is bad mathematics...

     
  19-Jan-11, 13:45   #17
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Fakiry 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 4815
Many times i play against odds. There was one time when i played more often online, that i used an onlinr odd calculator, very nice indeed, and it was helpfull. It helped me understanding a bit more of the played game. It it helped me winning too. But there are always those two cards that you get from time to time and, taking in consideration all the flops from behind, that you believe that will give you a nice money. Like once i got a pair of 7's and someone before me raised high, but i had that feeling and went against him all-in. He called and showed me QQ. The flop brought me a 7, and the rest was a hand full happiness for me. He got the "bad beat, donk, rookie" feeling about me, but "something" told me i would win with that hand, and that was why i played tht way. Sometimes you just got to go!

     
  19-Jan-11, 14:56   #18
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MANUEDO 
Joined: Apr '08
Location: Italy
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 1955
Depends on kind of game are you playing: in cash can be a profitable bet, I think but in long run tournament I can do this with a big stack only

     
  20-Jan-11, 01:37   #19
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willhebe 
Joined: Feb '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 74
I did call a raise against someone who was raising a lot in a tourney earlier with 109 suited. Came down 4 cards to the flush and when he raised I went all in. Turned out he had AA. I won but its not something I'd normally do. If I have a big stack I tend to do it more.

     
  20-Jan-11, 12:44   #20
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mazas 
Joined: Oct '09
Location: Lithuania
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 2805
sometimes feeling says something like try to play and if not so much people playing and stack was my quite good i ll try to play and its about 75 % wining hand s for me was and also all know ythen i win some strange hands that i am a donk Big Smile
so they call me bad player and say fa.... u and also the same starnge worlds
godo luck and sometimes try your luck in bingo poker too

     
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