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the stop and go strategy ( used from the blinds ) I feel can be a very good play against certain players , by certain players I mean good players playing at medium to high stakes 10$ plus stgs, however I find that it is a strategy not to be used often if at all in micro stake stgs , why , because there are to many donks and bad players who will call even if missing the flop with rag aces or less ( never try to bluff a bad player ), better trying a 3-4 bet (giving you fold equity), however even when playing the higher standard of player the stop and go must be used with caution , most good players not only use the stop and go play but exspect it to be used against them , specially when you are using the stop and go from the blinds the position from where stop and go is favoured. The problem with this strategy and most plays is that the other player if of reasonable or above ability also has the knowlege of set ABC poker and assocated plays, so in this case it is down to you to outthink your opponent , for example if in the big blind were the opponent may exspect the stop and go play you pick up a priemium hand such as AA KK AK , check or only calling a raise then allin with any flop may induce a call if the opponent hits the flop in anyway, as with any strategy used online the mindset to have is to always respect your opponent and be aware that he/she propably exspects you to play in a certain fashion , when to mix up your game and when to use certain plays against certain players is the key to wining stgs / tournaments.


to see the stop and go in use check out this training video on fulltilt, notice the title COMMON PLAYS , as stated above be aware that most decent players will be aware of and exspect this play,



http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/tip-email-258-deposit

Edited by midnight1954 (27 January 2011 @ 09:40 GMT)


     
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stop and go is a really nice move... But last time it got me into deep trouble in the late phase of a tournament. a man pushing around all the time i called from the SB and pushed... and he snapped with a set of 4s Sad

     
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This technique applies an added psichologycal: an opponent will often see your allin bet than see a bet in the flop if he missed. For me it's a nonsense but it's said that it works!

     
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Posted by Hajinnho:
stop and go is a really nice move... But last time it got me into deep trouble in the late phase of a tournament. a man pushing around all the time i called from the SB and pushed... and he snapped with a set of 4s Sad


That is the problem with it. You make a move out of position after the flop. The opponent can have a really strong hand at that time.

     
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Shokaku, you can not be out of position when using stop and go( no postflop play is considered the allin is played with any flop),,,i think I made it clear in the post that the stop and go was to be used in the favoured position , the blinds, using in it early or middle would be foolish , because a check or a call in early or middle position leaves yourself open to a raise and possible reraise by opponents behind you, which means you fold if playing a bluff hand, stop and go is usually only ment to be used against raises into your blind , if you get caught by a better hand thats iether bad timing or a bad read on the player raiseing into your blind

Edited by midnight1954 (28 January 2011 @ 02:07 GMT)


     
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Posted by midnight1954:
Shokaku, you can not be out of position when using stop and go

When we are in the blinds, we ARE out of position after the flop. That is the point of that play, and it is the danger of it.

     
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no my friend when using stop and go no postflop play is considered , the allin is a continuation from the call , therefor positional thought is not needed

     
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Interesting video midnight, thanks for posting. I've seen the technique used, learnt to use it by watching the other players but never knew what it was called!

     
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Its usefull and risk, if someone catches a strong hand/flop and favours you you are seen. But that doesnt mean its a usefull strategy.

     
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Depends.... you're letting your oponents hits some weird cards sometimes which will bust you out.
Also I watched few movies on FTP and don't think it's good site to learn from. For real...

     
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I remembered this tread which thought me what is stop and go. Later I posted video about this strategy made by Daniel Neagranu:
http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=thread&id...

     
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Not a big fan of stop and go allthough i used it couple/many times, i feel more comvert with just push instead of s&go, but hey nice discussion.

     
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i like push and lose strategy more Big Smile ,but stop and go works decently in the long run, i think good poker player must have all the tool available in his drawer, and look for the right moment to apply one that fits the moment best...easier said than done though Blink another strategy i use is "all in-all out"- this is actually my favorite- what it means: go to any table with your full bankroll and go all in, if you lose you are all out (of cash) Big Smile

     
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Pretty interesting stuff if you ask me, sng and mtt aren't my strong points at all and this is new to me...

I want to ask you if you tried to apply this strategy OP, and if yes what were the results?

     
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We can try this at high stakes..or even medium.. ( Who can Big Smile )

     
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Guess I can't open the video, but that FullTilt Logo sure does make me want to play on their site again. By the way! In reading the post it's very good information, but would haver probably been better if I could view.

     
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its good if you have a pot sized bet left after you call. but if you have less then you will most likely get called by anything. so you may aswell go all in or fold preflop.
i dont use it that much but have done in the past quite affectively.

     
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