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xpok3rkings; Seriously! I'm not being a smart%&#, but you been playing poker that long 11 years ago. I've been playing 3 months so I don't know a lot abot what you experienced poker players talk about at times, I'm impressed. As for the ruskys, cheating is the only way they can win!
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Posted by jovicakralj: Cmon! Collusion on freeroll??? Are you kidding Let me ask you one thing Island, when you notice someone from Belgium on table you speak with him on English? I dont think so... When I notice someone from Serbia (that is rare thing) ) I speak with him on Serbian... Usual stuff: Where are you from, how is going, how long do you play etc... Im not saying that this is good thing to do but it is kind of natural thing to talk on your own language... Colluding in tournament with 3000 peoples registered Cmon... You can play from same IP address in mtt with two different accounts on FT... I read that on one forum...
If people bother to hijack freerolls for a few cents then why wouldn't they also cheat in them. This ruins the game for those who honestly deserve to be there and who want to play seriously not for money but for pride and fun. So this is a serious issue.
I'm sure Island Jack doesn't speak to anyone in french on ftp or he wouldn't raise the issue would he? Rules are rules and you are wrong to speak serbian at the tables no matter what you are saying. When I lived in France I played some french freerolls where everyone had to be from France to play so I thought it was fair enough in that case. People tended to speak to me in english cos I had my location as UK but I understood french. Outside of this situation I would tell them they must speak english.
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have to agree with jovica on that,i mean how many languages do you speak?in Russia for instance, english is not taught until they reach secondary level in school, and even then its optional. russian launguage is hard to grasp for us so imagine english for them? Anyway,the main problemis the leaking of passwords , I dont mind them speaking their native tounge, hardly colluding under the noses of full tilt,most likely,its just small talk
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It does happen and it will continue to happen, i reported collusion to FT 3 months ago against 4 Russians on my table and it was BLATANT cheating, they were saying to each other, tell me when you've got an Ace or a pair. And FT have done absolutely nothing about it, i have no response nor acknowledgment that they have even looked into it and i was playing a Freeroll Invitation Cash Game, so it makes no difference whether its a Freeroll or Cash!!!!! And i can also tell you that I'm not the only one to have complained, i have 3 other examples of complaints sent in by a 2 US players and a Danish player!! where this has happened.
I personally don't have a problem with others speaking in another language as long as its not as explained above. The majority of the time it's not however you still can't guarantee it, if they are talking on msn, yahoo etc.
Edited by Scouse_Magic (20 February 2011 @ 17:02 GMT)
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Posted by Almonds: have to agree with jovica on that,i mean how many languages do you speak?in Russia for instance, english is not taught until they reach secondary level in school, and even then its optional. russian launguage is hard to grasp for us so imagine english for them? Anyway,the main problemis the leaking of passwords , I dont mind them speaking their native tounge, hardly colluding under the noses of full tilt,most likely,its just small talk
The point is it's hard to know if they are cheating or not when they speak russian and that's why the english only rule exists. Full tilt can't have monitors for every language and the most common language spoken as a first or second language is english. If you can't speak english you can't use chat at the poker table. I understand why that might seem unfair even though english is my first language but it's the fairest way possible.
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Posted by jovicakralj: Cmon! Collusion on freeroll??? Are you kidding Let me ask you one thing Island, when you notice someone from Belgium on table you speak with him on English? I dont think so... When I notice someone from Serbia (that is rare thing) ) I speak with him on Serbian... Usual stuff: Where are you from, how is going, how long do you play etc... Im not saying that this is good thing to do but it is kind of natural thing to talk on your own language... Colluding in tournament with 3000 peoples registered Cmon... You can play from same IP address in mtt with two different accounts on FT... I read that on one forum...
NO way in Hell will I speak anything but english with someone from Belgium!! English is THE ONLY accepted Poker language and I stick to it. PERIOD.
As to collusion in language abuse... I think you need to read up on it jovicakralj. I mean that seriously. I was also VERY clear that this problem is not limited to Freerolls, but is getting out of hand in real $ games as well.
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I always open google translator when 2 or more people r talkin foreign.write a sentance in english convert it 2 whatever language the're speakin then copy it in2 the chat box.They soon shut up when they think u can understand em.You are right though it does need stoppin & the sooner the better.Im right behind u on this 100% just hope people listlen
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Posted by awood88:
Posted by jovicakralj: Cmon! Collusion on freeroll??? Are you kidding Let me ask you one thing Island, when you notice someone from Belgium on table you speak with him on English? I dont think so... When I notice someone from Serbia (that is rare thing) ) I speak with him on Serbian... Usual stuff: Where are you from, how is going, how long do you play etc... Im not saying that this is good thing to do but it is kind of natural thing to talk on your own language... Colluding in tournament with 3000 peoples registered Cmon... You can play from same IP address in mtt with two different accounts on FT... I read that on one forum...
If people bother to hijack freerolls for a few cents then why wouldn't they also cheat in them. This ruins the game for those who honestly deserve to be there and who want to play seriously not for money but for pride and fun. So this is a serious issue.
I'm sure Island Jack doesn't speak to anyone in french on ftp or he wouldn't raise the issue would he? Rules are rules and you are wrong to speak serbian at the tables no matter what you are saying. When I lived in France I played some french freerolls where everyone had to be from France to play so I thought it was fair enough in that case. People tended to speak to me in english cos I had my location as UK but I understood french. Outside of this situation I would tell them they must speak english.
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Posted by awood88:
Posted by Almonds: have to agree with jovica on that,i mean how many languages do you speak?in Russia for instance, english is not taught until they reach secondary level in school, and even then its optional. russian launguage is hard to grasp for us so imagine english for them? Anyway,the main problemis the leaking of passwords , I dont mind them speaking their native tounge, hardly colluding under the noses of full tilt,most likely,its just small talk
The point is it's hard to know if they are cheating or not when they speak russian and that's why the english only rule exists. Full tilt can't have monitors for every language and the most common language spoken as a first or second language is english. If you can't speak english you can't use chat at the poker table. I understand why that might seem unfair even though english is my first language but it's the fairest way possible.
Im saying that cheating in 3000 people tourney is impossible! How you imagine that to happens? You and your friends register and hope to be on same table??? Or you make agreement with every Russian on every table on that tournament??? COME ON! Problem is colluding on cash or 1 table SNG... And if someone wants to do that he wont do that using chat... There is Skype, MSN, Yahoo... Why would someone do that in chat? Anyway you can always copy text in google translator and translate it... And there will be always people that are not from Russia that know Russian language... (I know some Russian too, learned in scool and have some common words with my language) So dout that anyone would be colluding in chat when he can be discovered easily...
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Jovica, i understand the point your trying to put across but I'm afraid that you are wrong and i have written proof in the chat where this has happened, as i kept it to e-mail FT.
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I am happy to read this thread..I was very veru annoyed about all this chatting in cyrillic charachters during BRM freerolls on fulltilt and I have already reported four times to fulltilt support mentioning tournament ID and table number. I know (mine) it couldn't be a popular way to act but I was so pissed either from either their chatting in foreign language and password stealing that I decided to do so and keep on doing.
for people who does think the same as me this is the address to report quickly this kind of behaviours [email protected]
Edited by magatt966 (20 February 2011 @ 19:05 GMT)
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Posted by magatt966: I am happy to read this thread..I was very veru annoyed about all this chatting in cyrillic charachters during BRM freerolls on fulltilt and I have already reported four times to fulltilt support mentioning tournament ID and table number. I know (mine) it couldn't be a popular way to act but I was so pissed either from either their chatting in foreign language and password stealing that I decided to do so and keep on doing.
for people who does think the same as me this is the address to report quickly this kind of behaviours [email protected]
You chat on English with other Italians on poker table? Im not saying that everyone should chat on theirs language but on this freerolls that is just not a big deal...
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does get annoying with the russians. they speak there laguage when there talkin to each other and speak english every now and again. its rediculous that they can break the rules and get away with it. i think all players that think the same and r gettin tired with it should all put complaints in. lets all supprt islandjack and try and get this sorted. should start a poll and c how many votes you can get for/against an see what every1 else thinks. then c if FT listen?
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Posted by jovicakralj:
Posted by magatt966: I am happy to read this thread..I was very veru annoyed about all this chatting in cyrillic charachters during BRM freerolls on fulltilt and I have already reported four times to fulltilt support mentioning tournament ID and table number. I know (mine) it couldn't be a popular way to act but I was so pissed either from either their chatting in foreign language and password stealing that I decided to do so and keep on doing.
for people who does think the same as me this is the address to report quickly this kind of behaviours [email protected]
You chat on English with other Italians on poker table? Im not saying that everyone should chat on theirs language but on this freerolls that is just not a big deal...
yes jovi, I chat in english. Except for Italian players reserved fulltilt freeroll where only players from italy are allowed.
It is not the size of the deal disturbing me: what really hurt me is that the most of them are password stealers. I'm not the only one here that have long time desidered a "brm league" or something similar to face forummates but this is not possible also because of password stealers (most of which are russians and romanians). I can't do nothing to prevent them from stealing password but at least I can have their chat banned.
Edited by magatt966 (20 February 2011 @ 19:43 GMT)
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this kind of behavior should definitely be stopped. it may just be freerolls but i have seen behavior like this spill on to cash games as well.it's really irritating especially since it becoming very often that you'll find yourself sitting on a table with at least half of the players from the same country.
the problem with fulltilt poker is they do not care wat people do unless it cost them money or they have proof of multiple accounts. full tilt i know for a fact" i have the emails" is not real poker the deck is shuffled in between board cards they beileve this is preventing cheating but it just makes it video poker. The only way to make money online playing poker any site is to have a massive bankroll or to cheat "which there is tons of ways we all have google use it look for yourself". There are tons of people that have no idea how to play poker and just make to much money. As for the russian thing ignorant people are all over i like to step it up how ever i lose my chat 8 hours at a time so you can tell i have a fowl mouth. its your choice it makes you that mad dont play and dont bother depositing 20-50 at a time save up a couple months depo a thousand and start Chris fergusons bankroll managment acadamy and play good poker and always call the 1-2 suited connecters because after all it is a rigged site
As a representative of the nation which is being discussed here let me say a few words. 1) Do Russian players chat a lot in their native language? Yes. It is true. 2) Do they break rules more often than representatives of other nations? I don't think so. I see a lot of players chatting in German, French, Dutch. And especially many chat in Portuguese. There are more Russians at the tables, hence the illusion that they chat more than other nations. 3) Do they collude via chat? I've never seen anything of the kind. This is plain stupid thing to do. I can say it once again: I NEVER saw it in real money tournaments or cash tables. Can't say anything about freerolls though. IslandJack, if you post here the chat that you reported to FT, I' ll translate it for everyone. Let's see if there was a collusion. 4) Do I chat in Russian? Almost never. Maybe couple of times when it was HA with another Russian player. Normally I don't chat at all, as I am always multitabling.
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don't understand why you are so upset about this ... you don't win or lose a hand in the chatroom . i always close the chatroom and i don't think that the russians are the only ones who chatting in their own language . you play the freerolls and still you complain ! sorry m8 but no support from me in this matter .
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Jack I hear you and all you can do is take a screenshot of the chat and send it into FULL TILT'S support group and see what they do as I think you said you did. But ever since I heard what Townsend & Cole both pros and both members of Cardrunner's. They gave Hastings over 50,000 hands beteween them on when they played Isildur at FT. Isildur had no friggin idea of this and this allowed Hastings to study Isildurs playing style, his raises, his bluffs, etc on different hands showing his style of playing. Basically like a team in the NFL stealing another teams play book. So Isildur lost over 4 million to Hastings. Full Tilt is well aware of this and this too is against their rules but did Isildur ever get a penny returned to him the answer is NO so that shows you how Full Tilt works they know Hastings cheated and he got away with it. How the hell could a top site like Full Tilt do this well I'm far from ever being a pro or high stake player but after this I lost all respect for Full Tilt. Townsend played under the name of Sbrugby at FT or some name close to that and he also had mutilble acct's at Pokerstars and they canned him because everyone knows you can't have mutible acct's as that is cheating and Townsend is a cheater period. So there you have it Full Tilt sat on their asses and Pokerstars took no s**t and banned him. By the way both Townsend and Cole have quit at Cardrunners so they say I think it's more like they were asked to leave. I wish you success with FT in your mission with chat not being in English and that too is in their rules.
Edited by crazyhorse99 (20 February 2011 @ 21:41 GMT)
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