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In the $100 Mob freeroll earlier I got in a conversation regarding AA. A couple years ago I got called "the stupidest poker player in the world" because I folded AA. Here is why I did so.
Before I even got to play my hand, there was 6 all ins to me. What do I do. Logically there is way to many people already in the hand. Chip leader was 2nd to all in preflop. 4 more callers and it's my turn. In my experience, chip stack always wins online. So after carefull consideration, I folded. Much to my great pleasure, I would have lost my 35 000 chips. Chip stack won the pot with a straight.
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Good fold I say. You gotta pick you battles. There are many times when I've folded AA, and most of the time it turns out to be a good fold. Some pre-flop, most post flop, turn, or river.
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Well AA is theoreticaly the best hand to start at any nlhe table sng/mtt whatever. However aces from what I`ve played poker are very "nasty". You should be carefull on the whole table to go all in with them postflop. My advice. Better all in preflop then post. The chances are bigger to take something and for the contestant are smaller to hit something.
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ive folded AA after the flop.Flop comes 333 and 2 all-ins in front of me and i folded AA. In my case it was a mistake ,i woulda won but wasnt willing to take the risk at that point in the tourny.It was hard for me to do though almost called. good luck at the felt man
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Yeah, Folded them once preflop (lot of time postflop). I was playing 10$ DON on PS. Had 3500 chips and only 6 of us at table. Two guys left with less then 300 chips... Chip leader goes all in and those two guys fold... I folded too. Why to risk when I will be in 5 winners for sure if I fold?
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Posted by jovicakralj: Yeah, Folded them once preflop (lot of time postflop). I was playing 10$ DON on PS. Had 3500 chips and only 6 of us at table. Two guys left with less then 300 chips... Chip leader goes all in and those two guys fold... I folded too. Why to risk when I will be in 5 winners for sure if I fold?
I've folded it preflop a couple of times in a sattellite tourney when i'm sure i will win anyways if i fold.
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Unless you're desperate to get into the money, there's no way you can fold them. Still, you're damaging yourself by refusing a bigger stack and a bigger win. The only possible case I can think of, when it's fine to fold them, would be during the bubble in a DON.
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Folded AA's more then once, of course after the flop, but it might of been prior to input concerning pairs. Instead of betting high to prevent others from betting I use to always play chicken and call min bet. In doing so I've folded to prevent getting beat out by a flush and straights. Ever since my thread on BRM concerning pairs, I've listened to people like dozn01, djhempey and other experienced BRM members and I bet, even play small pairs differently. Thanks to BRM members/ their input.
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well you can tell me what ever you want, when im playing for fun im ultra agressive, when im playing for money im ultra tight. AND I WOULD NEVER EVER FOLD: AA preflop. if all table move in im calling! and KINGS? Well kings are whole other story , [so my point is that better question would be HAVE YOU EVER FOLD KINGS PREFLOP? ] 9 5 >>> A A --- everytime!
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Posted by BMWman: In the $100 Mob freeroll earlier I got in a conversation regarding AA. A couple years ago I got called "the stupidest poker player in the world" because I folded AA. Here is why I did so.
Before I even got to play my hand, there was 6 all ins to me. What do I do. Logically there is way to many people already in the hand. Chip leader was 2nd to all in preflop. 4 more callers and it's my turn. In my experience, chip stack always wins online. So after carefull consideration, I folded. Much to my great pleasure, I would have lost my 35 000 chips. Chip stack won the pot with a straight.
Tell me your stories about folding AA......
A) " In my experience, chip stack always wins online." - it sounds like insanity played a part in your decision making B) The fact that you would have lost your chips does NOT make it a good fold - thats called results orientated thinking and is not a mathematically sound reason. C) Folding AA pre flop is NEVER a good fold (mathematically) unless it works out for certain interesting ICM situations: i) It's a satellite and you're basically guaranteed to win a ticket/prize equal to the highest prize available just by folding all your hands - in this case - it's correct to fold everything. ii) It's a Double or Nothing or a similar style game and it's bubble time and you have a massive chip lead.. You don't need to call anything here. iii) Any other unique style of game that significantly warps the ICM to a point that the gain from a win doesn't outweigh the possible loss.
Seriously, in a normal MTT or CASH - folding AA is NEVER a good fold. There is a very few occasions that folding KK pre is a good idea - although this is debated. In most cases - you must/should always call KK pre too.
Folding AA/KK post-flop- obviously you will need to do this sometimes - it's only a pair.
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Posted by DankoMajstor: so my point is that better question would be HAVE YOU EVER FOLD KINGS PREFLOP?
Agreed! That is a MUCH better question. Far more interesting.
Yes, folded AA several times. Against more than one players implied in the pot, often is an easy fold. And very easy to fold after very bad flops and turn ( like 4 suited cards or 4-straight made ) if your opponent shows strength.
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Yes folded AA preflop in satelites and Dons.
In a normal MTT folding AA preflop is insane, also with 4 allins in front of you, also also folding AA cos you want to get ITM during the biubble is so ugly and so bad.
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i fold aa two or three times in my live now i ll play with aa more harder and push preflop more money but at the start off playing poker its about 3 or 4 months then i ll played it online i decide to change my strategy playing aa just small rise preflop or even call after lop only small pot or halp pot bid but then u see 4 cards who was the same kind and u didnt have 5 - th its mean u not have flush or straight was really but u have aa in hand and no chanses to complete it and the oponent push all in u must think about and fold so i do it 2 or 3 times but not more and now preflop standart 3-6 bb bet from me with aa poket good luck and have fun
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Maybe on the bubble somehow, but otherwise...NEVER pre-flop !!! 80% chance of winning all of it. You´ll never get beter odds than that. Unless there is some more important reason to stay alive (like the bubble), NO folding pre-flop!
After the flop...that´s a different story, anything can happen. If another suit 3x flops from your AA and you have 3 raisers...get the hell out of there !! (for example)
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Posted by IslandJack: Maybe on the bubble somehow... Unless there is some more important reason to stay alive (like the bubble)...
Hah - This is like the AK on the BB thread.. With so many people saying fold to get ITM. As in that thread - I gotta disagree.. Folding AA jsut cause you're on/near the bubble is horrible.. It's THE strongest starting hand you can have.. Unless it's a DoN or Sat bubble (or something similar) there is NO excuse for folding.. ESPECIALLY on the bubble.. If ever you want a serious double/triple up it's when you're around the money.. The difference between min cash and 1/2/3 place is normally HUGE.
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