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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by IslandJack: Maybe on the bubble somehow... Unless there is some more important reason to stay alive (like the bubble)...
Hah - This is like the AK on the BB thread.. With so many people saying fold to get ITM. As in that thread - I gotta disagree.. Folding AA jsut cause you're on/near the bubble is horrible.. It's THE strongest starting hand you can have.. Unless it's a DoN or Sat bubble (or something similar) there is NO excuse for folding.. ESPECIALLY on the bubble.. If ever you want a serious double/triple up it's when you're around the money.. The difference between min cash and 1/2/3 place is normally HUGE.
I´m sorry, I wasn´t clear in what meant. I agree completely with what you say.
I should have said: "on the bubble, like in a SnG with 2 players all-in before you, or something similar." On the bubble in a tourney is generally a bad idea. (unless it´s the Monthly Million on Party which pays $1.200 on the bubble.) I would hate to be the Bubble Boy in that one...
Of course if I could play it every month, I would NOT fold my AA on the bubble and go for the big finish instead, of course.
Edit:
In fact, thinking about it, I don´t think I could ever fold AA pre-flop in ANY situation.
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Posted by IslandJack: In fact, thinking about it, I don't think I could ever fold AA pre-flop in ANY situation.
That's pretty much it. Even in a massive tourney (like a $1M GTD) bubble - there's gotta be a bit of common sense over-riding the fear of bubbling.. You're gonna sweat hard and time will go into slow motion as the flop/turn/river comes (i mean, if you don't normally play tourneys of this value of course).. But ultimately, you gotta make the call - otherwise you're gonna regret it for a long time..
I have folded AA pre a few times in satellites.. On PKR I sometimes play through the stages to get into the PKR Masters (biggest MTT on pkr) and during the stage1 and sometimes stage 2 - by the time you're near the bubble - you can often just fold everything and KNOW you'll get an entry.. I've been in games where people just don't get this - they have 2nd biggest stack - 1 player left before prizes start and that one player is about to be blinded out- and the 2nd biggest stack will call an allin of the biggest stack - with some s**t like AK (or even funnier AA) and get put out by biggest stacks J10 or some s**t.. Then stick around typing abuse in the chat window- calling people donkeys etc - and all they had to do was click fold and they win a ticket the next hand anyway.. It's ridiculous how dumb some people are- or just how difficult people find it to click the fold button .
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fact is i never even mentioned anything about bubble. bubble had nothing to do with it, it was however final table. and i finished 3rd. but the point is, no one is giving their AA stories. oh well
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Posted by BMWman: fact is i never even mentioned anything about bubble. bubble had nothing to do with it, it was however final table. and i finished 3rd. but the point is, no one is giving their AA stories. oh well
AA - stories?? what do you mean?? - when I play it's generally 6 tables at a time - sometimes for quite a few hours - I see all sorts of s**t .. I don't really take notice of if/when I have to fold aces. We all just saying - don't fold the pre-flop- that's a silly thing to do.
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Fair play jess, say it how it is. I play a lot of sat/stage/phase style tournies and folding AA is something that comes kinda easy. Same as in Double thrus, if it means you could lose 80% of your stack calling somebodies shove with AA and they show JT and flop a boat youre the shorty and going to be jamming anything remotely connected just to survive.Its all about equity and how much them chiparoos are worth. Check out the Independant chip model for a more in depth description ( ICM ). If you fold you are easily in contention for qualifying/doublingup/phasingup... it just makes sense. Simple common sense is sometimes overlooked when people look down and see those beauties. Rambling and ranting a little as im trying too hard to emphasise the point lol
Cash games are obv different, cant see a point where i would fold AA unless...errrr i was playing too high and 8 people were already allin, leaving me with little equity and i didnt fancy the potential dent to roll... so yeah prob never in a cash game LOL.
Dunno if i could ever fold AA because of bubble in an mtt...have to be a SERIOUSLY big mtt...but i wouldnt be playing an mtt that big without it being through a sat so probably have a look. If i had the roll to play the huge mtt's i would be calling/shoving/reshoving/getting it in any way possible regardless of bubble.
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well folding AA before the flop is stupid idea if there are 6 ppl go allin you can win a rocket pot that almoust guarantee big prize if you lose from someone you can win side pot.The main goal is that you have better hand from guy who have more chips then you
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I used that as an example and there were a load of conditions lol, like playing way too high, which i wouldnt do, 8 people being ai, never happen etc. Basically saying i wouldnt fold AA pre in a cash game unless it was a very very very very VERY weird situation, which wouldn't happen.
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by IslandJack: In fact, thinking about it, I don't think I could ever fold AA pre-flop in ANY situation.
That's pretty much it. Even in a massive tourney (like a $1M GTD) bubble - there's gotta be a bit of common sense over-riding the fear of bubbling.. You're gonna sweat hard and time will go into slow motion as the flop/turn/river comes (i mean, if you don't normally play tourneys of this value of course).. But ultimately, you gotta make the call - otherwise you're gonna regret it for a long time..
I have folded AA pre a few times in satellites.. On PKR I sometimes play through the stages to get into the PKR Masters (biggest MTT on pkr) and during the stage1 and sometimes stage 2 - by the time you're near the bubble - you can often just fold everything and KNOW you'll get an entry.. I've been in games where people just don't get this - they have 2nd biggest stack - 1 player left before prizes start and that one player is about to be blinded out- and the 2nd biggest stack will call an allin of the biggest stack - with some s**t like AK (or even funnier AA) and get put out by biggest stacks J10 or some s**t.. Then stick around typing abuse in the chat window- calling people donkeys etc - and all they had to do was click fold and they win a ticket the next hand anyway.. It's ridiculous how dumb some people are- or just how difficult people find it to click the fold button .
My thoughts exactly! I´ve folded quite a few AA when "placed" for sure i a Satellite. It amazes me to no end to see people trying to come in 1st when 20 places are GTD, and then getting busted out with a huge stack and a GTD place.
I keep wondering how these people even manage to cross the street in the daytime?
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My thoughts exactly! I've folded quite a few AA when "placed" for sure i a Satellite. It amazes me to no end to see people trying to come in 1st when 20 places are GTD, and then getting busted out with a huge stack and a GTD place.
I keep wondering how these people even manage to cross the street in the daytime? [/QUOTE]
Yes, sometimes you have to fold AA. And when you do, and it IS the right call then your smart. For anyone to say NEVER fold them, must not have played much poker... Thanks Jack...
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Ok, I have a story from today. A good example when to fold AA.
Standard 3x raise from me holding AA. 2 callers 3 hearts hit the table, and I´m NOT holding any hearts. I bet, one of the others raises, I call, other one folds. Another heart hits the board.
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Posted by IslandJack: Ok, I have a story from today. A good example when to fold AA.
Standard 3x raise from me holding AA. 2 callers 3 hearts hit the table, and I'm NOT holding any hearts. I bet, one of the others raises, I call, other one folds. Another heart hits the board.
He raises again, big. Game over. I fold my AA.
Oh yeah - 4 cards to the flush on the board and none in your hand has probably got to be around the no1 reason/time to fold your AA - for all the other times you kid yourself that you've still got the best hand.. there's no denying fold-time when you miss the board that's flushed..
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I dont ever remember folding aces preflop!! Now flop/ postflop thats a whole nother story..There has not been to many times i have folded aces in that situation but hey like some guy said pick your battles.
