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ok i know this is a old video some of you might of see it b4, but i think its one of the best lay downs ever, i know for a fact i couldnt do it il be broke, what a good read............. if you seen better one or know of a good one like this post it here
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No way in Hell I could have folded that hand. Unbelievable!
What are the odds of being beat? He must have "felt" something wrong with the hand, I guess. These guys are at the table a long time together in the WSOP. But still.....
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well whatever we say now wouldnt be right,beacuse you cant tell now what would you do in this situation,when you are not at table in his position!your brain will think different if you seat there!I know that many of us will tell know that would pay this,but think that its not same when we comment now this hand and to be on pressure
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I think it was a very good laydown. I mean you have to wonder what Geller would check-raise with. Not trip tens cos he'd be losing to a straight. What hand could he have where his hand is strong on the river that he would check with on the flop. AQ he would have bet out already. I think his hand stinks of a full house but the question is which full house. I would have called rather than shipped but this was an excellent read. I think the fact he promised to show helped.
Posted by jovicakralj: Yes, this is one of best folds that I ever saw (if not the best) Here is another not so amazing fold but amaizing read by Daniel Neagranu:
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That's bad azz video doz01, I know I'd have lost, fullhouse, I'd never think to fold. All in knowing I had the win! At least until I lost to the KK's. Excellent!
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Saw that video already it's really good laydown... But whole hand stinks as hell.... and he have some reads for him also. If you watch that hand few times you will notice something if wrong... Even so I couldn't fold here... dunno how much his stack was but I prefer call.
------------ Btw, how you make video IN the post? I know only to put link...
Put the video ID (wIbHeFnIWVM - in this case) inside YOUTUBE tags, like: [*youtube]wIbHeFnIWVM[*/youtube] - but without the two * I only put them there so the tags would be ignored so you can see them.
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Sometimes I know I'm getting beat in a sick hand like this - like all the betting patterns just scream AA/KK - and you know you're getting smashed by a better set or fullhouse.. But I've never actually made the lay down.. A leak I suppose - I think in MTT it's never correct to lay down... In cash - if you're really deep - 200bb-300bb+ then you really need to start analyzing these situations more.. wondering what somebody is willing to ship 300bb on etc..
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Posted by shoveandtilt: Hah It really is an ultra fold, BUT if he folds and the guy is bluffing and shows, is he still a genius ....?
Yes - a good call or fold has nothing to do with the results of the hand and the opponents cards. It's about analyzing the hand - the range - and working out your hands expected value and see if you're getting the correct mathematical odds (straight-out or implied) to make the call/fold.
So in this case - I'm assuming the person who made the fold knows that his opponent will turn up with a better hand often enough to justify folding - it's not about whether the opponent necessarily has a better hand in that particular instant - you cannot know this for sure - not matter how good you are.
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Twas a thinly veiled joke me old china plate, hence the wink
If a tree falls in a forest when nobody is around does it still make a sound was the kinda line i was going down
Reading the post you wrote earlier about knowing your set has been smashed due to betting patterns and still not being able to lay it down, im one of those too haha. Not quite there yet :]]]
