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This is one hand I am not betting , raising, or going all in anymore at FT or any online site. Just say there are two hearts on the board and I'm holding A7os and I catch the 2 pr A7 on the turn I always push and get called and %80 of the time the player will catch the flush on the river. I have done this hoping they fold and not chase the flush. Now I'm not discussing a bad beat here just flushes on the river versus flushes on the river playing live IMO Here is my hand example having 2 pr with the other player getting possible flush.
Full Tilt Poker Game #28838819741: BankrollMob $100 Freeroll (224106242), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 09:16:49 ET - 2011/03/08 Seat 1: Gyotto (1,490) Seat 2: Dogg7776 (3,210) Seat 3: aztitan (1,350), is sitting out Seat 5: sharkey99 (1,420) Seat 6: make1400 (3,350) Seat 7: aburila BM (1,350), is sitting out Seat 8: s--A_A_A_A--s (1,415) Seat 9: bucuresteanu_23 (2,435) s--A_A_A_A--s posts the small blind of 20 bucuresteanu_23 posts the big blind of 40 The button is in seat #7 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to sharkey99 [Ac 7c] Gyotto folds Dogg7776 calls 40 aztitan folds sharkey99 calls 40 make1400 calls 40 aburila BM folds s--A_A_A_A--s calls 20 bucuresteanu_23 has 15 seconds left to act bucuresteanu_23 checks *** FLOP *** [4s Ah Th] s--A_A_A_A--s checks bucuresteanu_23 bets 120 Dogg7776 has 15 seconds left to act Dogg7776 calls 120 sharkey99 has 15 seconds left to act sharkey99 calls 120 make1400 folds s--A_A_A_A--s folds *** TURN *** [4s Ah Th] bucuresteanu_23 bets 260 Dogg7776 calls 260 sharkey99 raises to 1,260, and is all in bucuresteanu_23 raises to 2,275, and is all in Dogg7776 folds bucuresteanu_23 shows [5h Kh] sharkey99 shows [Ac 7c] Uncalled bet of 1,015 returned to bucuresteanu_23 *** RIVER *** [4s Ah Th 7d] bucuresteanu_23 shows a flush, Ace high sharkey99 shows two pair, Aces and Sevens bucuresteanu_23 wins the pot (3,340) with a flush, Ace high *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 3,340 | Rake 0 Board: [4s Ah Th 7d 9h] Seat 1: Gyotto didn't bet (folded) Seat 2: Dogg7776 folded on the Turn Seat 3: aztitan didn't bet (folded) Seat 5: sharkey99 showed [Ac 7c] and lost with two pair, Aces and Sevens Seat 6: make1400 folded on the Flop Seat 7: aburila BM (button) didn't bet (folded) Seat 8: s--A_A_A_A--s (small blind) folded on the Flop Seat 9: bucuresteanu_23 (big blind) showed [5h Kh] and won (3,340) with a flush, Ace high
Now I know this a freerol but I have learned freeroll or money trny I am not chasing that heart on the river because I had a heart so that leaves 8 outs top and that doesn't count if any other players layed down any hearts cutting your outs just saying.
Edited by crazyhorse99 (08 March 2011 @ 14:58 GMT)
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ur ryt,,thats why me if i got a good card ,i well jsut go all in ,, coz hmm some donkeys they just get them luck on the river,i busted many times on that way,
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When I'm in a trny and the blinds are high like 5,000-10,000 if I have an A and any card I will go all in. But the start of a freeroll or trny I really don't like to go all in I like to see the flop. In this case I picked the turn to go all in and this is what my topic is I think there are more flushes online versus live poker and even a flush draw you see more online then live. As far as you guys saying go all in off the start I don't disagree with yous but usually that isn't my game or style with the cards I had. But thanks for your thoughts. To me----> LOL
Edited by crazyhorse99 (08 March 2011 @ 15:28 GMT)
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its simple i can easy answer u why it is becouse u play only online and spend more time and also people who playing at the same time uin the same tournament number is much bigger then u playing live poker and u spend really only about 10 % your time playing poker on live poker tournaments and 90 % online so the decision was 9 times more poker online is mean 9 times bigger chanses to see the royal if players are 1000 in tournament online and in live only 250 its seam another x 4 so then u playing online poker u have chanses to see flush 9x4 = 36 times more then u ll play live so its just example from me it change for every single player but u can easy count it good luck and have fun
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Before I got ill I played more live poker then online and thank you. Now at that table it doesn't matter how many entries are in live or online my friend so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. There's only one deck of cards at each table wtf. In this hand I had one heart and he had two and two hearts on the board so that leaves him 8 outs and that doesn't count if anyone that folded had a heart so he may have had less then 8 outs & there was no other possible hand at this point except two pair or him getting a flush. Your more online versus live and 9x this and that sounds like you been smoking crack. S@it you don't know me or whether I play more online or live because 25 mins from my house is Harrah's and they got tables there and I played there 3 or 4 times a week. So you never being ill like me and my illness is my business just count your blessings my poker money is now my prescriptions money which are quite expensive even with my insurance. Now getting back to the point my question was there seems to be more flushes caught on the river or flush draws online versus live poker that's all I was saying.
Edited by crazyhorse99 (08 March 2011 @ 15:53 GMT)
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if online poker only stoling your money i think u must not worry about it and be so sad just stop playing online and go only play live poker that u did before i think never loose your hope and allways know if u ll good and clever poker player one day or one weak bad deals against u will ends and u ll win much more then loose good luck in futue
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Did I just not reply mazas I been very ill and I love poker and it's easier for me right now to play online. I love live poker more then online poker and I'm not sad from poker but I be a lot more happier if I hadn't got sick and you missed the topic of my post altogether so let this be the end of the discussion and gl 2 you. CrazYhorse
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i know what you mean crazy you try to force these guys to fold on the turn and they still call and get lucky but most times they lose but its crap when they win. what mazas was saying you play so many more hands online that you ever can live, in 10 min you could play maybe 1 or 2 hands live in 10 mins online you could play 10 or 15 hands (amount of hands is just a rough guess here btw) this is going to mean that you see so much more stuff. where you might see something once or twice in 3 hours of play live well if you had played online the same time the difference in the amount of hands you played would be crazy so you are going to see the same situations so much more
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i do see alot more flushes when playing online poker then i see playing live also is see alot of pairs on the flop when playing online then i see playing live
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think this is just because of selective memory, surely people dont hit 80% of their flush draws. your sample size is too low to make any conclusions. and as for more online flushes its because people have less tendency to fold online.
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They do if they pay to play and not $1 or $2 I'm talking $10,$20,$30 buy ins minimum a whole different ball game. Is it that hard to say I see more flushes online versus live poker not the the amount of hands and this and that just that there seem to be more flushes online just a simple observation and I've played online and live. I play live and those hands move along fairly fast because your playing with strangers and not the pros you see sitting on TV making small talk during hands and in between every hand.
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Why do so many keep on trying to look for a difference statistically between live and online play? It´s REAL simple:
There are LOTS of major online players displaying hand statitics from all major online sites that PROVE that statistically, these sites are correct. I´m talking about sample sizes of 50.000, 100.000, even 200.000 hands! This is a FACT! People are trying to disprove this all the time and they can´t. That´s what keeps us playing and the best way to control the online sites.
What mazas and Flippedchips are saying is totally correct. It always comes down to an emotional "perception" due to the # of bad hands played and the # of hands played itself. No one ever comes up with decent (like 100.000 hands or more) sample sizes to prove anything different.
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Damn I made a simple post from my observation from playing live and online not trying to start WWIII. I wasn't taking any statistics or any hand histories it was just from what I see. My humble apologies for speaking my mind in the almighty BRM forum. I can see why some people get pissed off in here that I can tell you for you sure. Now on the hand I don't care if you agree with me or not because I'm the type of guy that will say what I want to just like the rest of yous. And it's soooooo nice to feel wanted lol.
Edited by crazyhorse99 (08 March 2011 @ 21:35 GMT)
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Don't worry Crazyhorse, i know it sometimes looks that way but in the long run it even's out. All pokersites use a 'random chance generator'(they all use the same), wich makes sure that the cards are distibuted randomly, like in real life. As its a computerprogram on short term it may look differen't than in real life, but in the long run it even's out, and more important: its the same for everyone, so its fair
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Crazy, you can't take replies personal! You post a thread to receive input from others. We all have opinions and that's what makes BRM's forum what it is. Lot's of different opinions! Not that everyone agrees or disagrees with eachother. We post threads to receive input and that's all anyone gives. Not bashing on you just trying to look at it with an open mind! Good Luck!
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None taken I'm just defending what I posted period. I belong to 8 other poker forums and I'm use to disagreements but damn here you get attacked I'm no fcking rookie. Nor am I out to argue or debate but I'll think again when I post because this isn't the first time all these different opinions have rolled in. I don't expect everyone to agree with me but damn they come at you here and I'm a big boy I don't take sh@t personally I'm an x-trucker I seen it all so when peeps come at me I put up my wall LoL.
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Edited by crazyhorse99 (09 March 2011 @ 01:58 GMT)
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My opinion as someone who has ample experience in offline poker but just started a few months ago with online is that the softwares used by the platforms I've tried are somehow amplifying the variation. The reason for doing it being quite obvious.
Here is my hand example having 2 pr with the other player getting possible flush.
