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If you hold in your hands AA or KK or AK and the flop comes with another pair such as 10 10 , 33 or 55, your opponent then raises, what do you do? Fold, call or re-raise??
I just want to know, because this happened to me several times.
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this is why it's VERY important to raise hands like AA pre flop.. That way if you've raised say 6 X bb and flop comes 33x you can reasonably safely discount the 3 from your opponents range.. If you let big blind check for free pre flop, big blind could have any 2 cards and you have nfi where you stand..
best thing you can do is work out your opponents ranges, factor in the chance he has it and try and make LONG TERM EV+ plays.. Sometimes they gonna have it and you bust sometimes not.. Sometimes you'll know they got it and best to fold.. especially on double pair board.. If board pairs twice then your AA/KK is bluff catcher at best..
just remember you cant win every hand.. so long as your style works out EV+ in the long run then it's ok.
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Not real experienced and I usually ask the Mobsters for advice, but I would base my decison to call or not on several things. 1. Have you been at the table with same players and got them kinda figured out. This allows you to decide how you would play it. 2. Call based on the amount of the opponents bet. Min bet, call with min raise. 3. Generally if opponent has 3 of kind with the pair on flop, the opponent would bet high to prevent allowing turn / river card. 4. Sometimes your internal gut feel assists your decision on how to play it.
Probably not the best of advice, but this is what I've learned from reading/BRM threads & the Mobsters replies to such questions in this forum.
Would like to see others replies to your question! Sorry if reply isn't very good. Still learning! Good Luck at the tables!
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My experience has taught me to fold. Just fold. Don't get married to a hand. Theres always another one right around the corner.(unless you get KO'd) If they're bluffing, they'll do it again when it's safer for you to call em. If they're not bluffing, GOOD FOLD. The bottom line is....Did you already pot commit yourself. You have to do your own math on that one. Just remember at this point in the hand, I it doesn't really matter what your hand is. You either put him on the 3 of a kind, (or even the possibility) or you don't. If you think he does or might have it, you have to even fold the AA you hold. Just my Opinion.
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In every situation you should play different. Anyway I think player is bluffing in that situation, and re-raise or shove is the best move. But as I said in every situation you should play different and look how that player is playing.
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the paired board it really depends what has paired but to be honest chances of them hitting that are slim if its a raised pot and its smaller pairs like jess says i just fire away at it i tend not to of thought they have hit it, if its about 8s and up i tend to treat the same way but maybe a little more carefull as its the kind of cards people may have but chances are you will be ok
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In my opinion you should always do this: reraise! Not big reraise, but big enough to get informations. If he fold (there is chance) great! If he call you will see his move on turn and make your decision then (if he dont have 10 it is most likely that he will check call turn too, so you will have info about his hand) and if he reraise you...well...fold! This way you will lose minimum chips in case he have 10 because you will have information. If you decide to call, then you will probably call on turn and that will be probably more chips then those that you invested in reraise and you still wont have any information about your opponents hand. He can have ther JJ QQ or any pair that is bigger then that third card on flop... For example if flop is 10 10 8 and he have 8 in hand he will probably raise and fold on reraise (maybe even call) but he wont reraise or raise on other streets anymore. He could have 99 or JJ...then he will call your reraise and probably wont raise anymore and if he have 10 he could call and then raise again on turn or reraise (all in right there) So, you will buy yourself INFORMATION with that reraise. Off course it is very important to have POSITION in that sort of situations so you could know what move of your opponent is...
Posted by jovicakralj: In my opinion you should always do this: reraise! Not big reraise, but big enough to get informations. If he fold (there is chance) great! If he call you will see his move on turn and make your decision then (if he dont have 10 it is most likely that he will check call turn too, so you will have info about his hand) and if he reraise you...well...fold! This way you will lose minimum chips in case he have 10 because you will have information. If you decide to call, then you will probably call on turn and that will be probably more chips then those that you invested in reraise and you still wont have any information about your opponents hand. He can have ther JJ QQ or any pair that is bigger then that third card on flop... For example if flop is 10 10 8 and he have 8 in hand he will probably raise and fold on reraise (maybe even call) but he wont reraise or raise on other streets anymore. He could have 99 or JJ...then he will call your reraise and probably wont raise anymore and if he have 10 he could call and then raise again on turn or reraise (all in right there) So, you will buy yourself INFORMATION with that reraise. Off course it is very important to have POSITION in that sort of situations so you could know what move of your opponent is...
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so if u have good hand preflop u must rise 3-6 bb and see how many will call u and if small pair till 88 comes on the flop its make u quite feel safe becouse the callers not holding any lower card hen 8 ( its must be if u play clever poker but u never know who call u maybe its donk or calling machine and he can have not higher card on his hand like 8 ) but if u rise preflop u must rise after the flop if some call its mean he can have the 3-rd one but its just 5-7 % so continue to rise after the turn but not so strong and after the river also rise if opponent gives all in just fold or call if u have really good hand good luck and wish u allways to have 3-rd one of the floped pair
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Posted by GIOMi6: If you hold in your hands AA or KK or AK and the flop comes with another pair such as 10 10 , 33 or 55, your opponent then raises, what do you do? Fold, call or re-raise??
I just want to know, because this happened to me several times.
Too little info, first, if he is betting in to you either he has limp called, or you have just called his raise, now if you just called then thats the first leak to plug. In most cases if he had set he would let you hang yourself and not bet out untill ther river (board depending/player depending). So in most cases a bet hear would represent a weak hand, but knowlage that the board inflics fear, so why not bet, easy pot against a weak player. In conclusion, most of the time you would re-raise, if AA/KK then % wise you will be ahead so when you do lose to a board set you should still be up overall on this move (+EV) However, it is a dangerouse board, so your not looking for an AI, try keep the pot low.
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What B1gfoot said... No really, betting out when you´ve hit your set after a raise/call/re-raise would be unlikely, as this is indeed an excellent opportunity to let you hang yourself. A raise indicates weakness IMO in general here too. He is either testing the waters, or trying to steal the pot, or both. So unlikely he hit trips. The re-raise would be the way to go and see what happens. All game/player dependant, of course.
If i had AA or KK and got called and the board paired i wouldn't be too scared if i got re-raised then i would flat call and see how the turn came but you have to know how your opponent plays to know if your beat or not.
AA or KK is not always the best hand so have the balls and lay them down if you think your beat, like people have said a better hand is always around the corner, just dont play super tight, play loose aggressive
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Posted by GIOMi6: If you hold in your hands AA or KK or AK and the flop comes with another pair such as 10 10 , 33 or 55, your opponent then raises, what do you do? Fold, call or re-raise??
I just want to know, because this happened to me several times.
i dont think you can generalise this pairs... if it is a pair of queens or of threes does make a difference! Cause it might be possible somehow my opponent plays AQ but he should never hold a 3 when i have Aces or Kings!
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Mobsters thank you for your advice and input about my question. I encounter these situations a lot in my online poker play, so I tought I would ask for your advice.
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you should just smooth call and hope like helll u catch a set then if u do catch it on the turn slowplay the dominate boat till the river and then shove all in and hope they give up the loot
