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  15-Mar-11, 13:46   #1
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mrnugger 

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yesterday i was playing sit&go 6.75 $ K.O.
i was BB and the hand after me limped his AA , nobody else from the table raised , just 1 another guy made a call and the small blind called also .
i had 4 and 7 , the flop is .... 3 5 6 .
i hit straight , the AA makes a raise , 1 guy called and i went all in of course called by the AA and he lost his hand .
the thing is that i understand why the AA limped because of his position but i geuss that it is always better to make at least some raise to try to get ride of the SB and the BB as we all know that AA is never a winning hand espacially when people see a flop that they probably not would have seen if he had made a raise .


     
  15-Mar-11, 13:51   #2
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mazas 
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yes more better have 3-6 bb rise preflop with aa poker then just for free let someone to see the flop he ll made a rise u ll easy fold he ll stay in the game with very low wining but he just over situation and want let u to fish some and u ll have succes he run away so better win small pot then out with aa poket Big Smile
good luck and have fun thx for the post Tongue

     
  15-Mar-11, 13:57   #3
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schmoyster 
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The only situation when limping with AA seems feasible to me is from early position (ideally from UTG) when you are PRETTY SURE that somebody will raise from a later position. Then you 3-bet to increase pot.
mrnugger, maybe this was similar situation. Was the guy with AA in early position? Maybe he expected smb to raise?

     
  15-Mar-11, 14:08   #4
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IslandJack 

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Posted by schmoyster:
The only situation when limping with AA seems feasible to me is from early position (ideally from UTG) when you are PRETTY SURE that somebody will raise from a later position. Then you 3-bet to increase pot.
mrnugger, maybe this was similar situation. Was the guy with AA in early position? Maybe he expected smb to raise?


From mrnugger´s post, I think it was exactly that, he was "after" the BB, so UTG I understand from that.
Slow-playing AA is always a big discussion point.
It´s always -EV not to raise AA, but on the other hand, you have to vary your play to hide your hands.
And what schmoyster says definitely makes sense as well.

It was just a very dangerous flop with no raises pre-flop. The blinds could definitely be holding anything.
Difficult to say without without more info if this was a bad play on his part or not at that time and in that situation. (stacks, blinds, players left, etc..)

     
  15-Mar-11, 14:13   #5
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Fakiry 

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I agree with you. At least, AA ought to make a bet. If not, most likely is to happen this that you just descibred. I will never forget the several times i lost with AA "in the begining of my long hard poker career" ( Smile), thats why sometimes i still prefer to go all-in preflop and dont win much with AA instead of trying to rob someone and get hurt...

     
  15-Mar-11, 15:45   #6
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mrnugger 

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Posted by schmoyster:
The only situation when limping with AA seems feasible to me is from early position (ideally from UTG) when you are PRETTY SURE that somebody will raise from a later position. Then you 3-bet to increase pot.
mrnugger, maybe this was similar situation. Was the guy with AA in early position? Maybe he expected smb to raise?


the guy was in early position , the seat after BB .

     
  15-Mar-11, 16:01   #7
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shokaku 

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Yep. A foolproof way to go broke. I can understand if someone limps UTG with aces, hoping for a raise. But when half the table is in the hand, and AA didn't improve it is better to play for a small pot only.

     
  15-Mar-11, 16:23   #8
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todd3311 

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thats just it,players that get aces some times get worryed to raise with them because they dont want to scare players away,,but then of course that leaves you open to get wacked bye like 4-7

     
  15-Mar-11, 16:40   #9
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Flippedchips 

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funny when i seen the thread i was just going to put limp with AA is how you lose lol and guess what Big Smile yea people who limp with AA KK or QQ deserve to lose the hand in my eyes its never a good idea

     
  15-Mar-11, 17:28   #10
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Hajinnho 

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Posted by mrnugger:
yesterday i was playing sit&go 6.75 $ K.O.
i was BB and the hand after me limped his AA , nobody else from the table raised , just 1 another guy made a call and the small blind called also .
i had 4 and 7 , the flop is .... 3 5 6 .
i hit straight , the AA makes a raise , 1 guy called and i went all in of course called by the AA and he lost his hand .
the thing is that i understand why the AA limped because of his position but i geuss that it is always better to make at least some raise to try to get ride of the SB and the BB as we all know that AA is never a winning hand espacially when people see a flop that they probably not would have seen if he had made a raise .



this is boring.... i already know what oportunities i have to loose AA... What would be totally new would be a way to WIN AA Smile

     
  15-Mar-11, 17:54   #11
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mrnugger 

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Posted by Hajinnho:
Posted by mrnugger:
yesterday i was playing sit&go 6.75 $ K.O.
i was BB and the hand after me limped his AA , nobody else from the table raised , just 1 another guy made a call and the small blind called also .
i had 4 and 7 , the flop is .... 3 5 6 .
i hit straight , the AA makes a raise , 1 guy called and i went all in of course called by the AA and he lost his hand .
the thing is that i understand why the AA limped because of his position but i geuss that it is always better to make at least some raise to try to get ride of the SB and the BB as we all know that AA is never a winning hand espacially when people see a flop that they probably not would have seen if he had made a raise .



this is boring.... i already know what oportunities i have to loose AA... What would be totally new would be a way to WIN AA Smile


if you have figured that out let us know .

Edited by mrnugger (15 March 2011 @ 17:58 GMT)


     
  15-Mar-11, 18:59   #12
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kickinureass 
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good thing is you can make notes for the player for future reference. got a few notes on other players especially the slow hand players and if you happen to meet them with a good hand a reraise into them should help you from being a victim of thier crafty game. Myself i play AA very aggresively (always) whatever my position, KK, QQ and other hand i limp in cause you can bet some fish with A 3 os will call any bet u make and probably hit the A on flop or worse still the river. God bless thel slow players with AA Confused

     
  15-Mar-11, 21:48   #13
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Hajinnho 

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Posted by mrnugger:
Posted by Hajinnho:
Posted by mrnugger:
yesterday i was playing sit&go 6.75 $ K.O.
i was BB and the hand after me limped his AA , nobody else from the table raised , just 1 another guy made a call and the small blind called also .
i had 4 and 7 , the flop is .... 3 5 6 .
i hit straight , the AA makes a raise , 1 guy called and i went all in of course called by the AA and he lost his hand .
the thing is that i understand why the AA limped because of his position but i geuss that it is always better to make at least some raise to try to get ride of the SB and the BB as we all know that AA is never a winning hand espacially when people see a flop that they probably not would have seen if he had made a raise .



this is boring.... i already know what oportunities i have to loose AA... What would be totally new would be a way to WIN AA Smile


if you have figured that out let us know .


well, ok, honestly, i do win Aces as often as i should... but there was one tournament that really fucked me up lossing them two times in a row in a live tournament... that was really a disaster...

     
  16-Mar-11, 08:58   #14
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arathemis 
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Loosing with AA is not that difficult, specially when you only limp in. Had a situation at a table I was playing on where a player limped with AA. Flop came 4 T K. AA raised, BB went allin, AA called. BB shows T 4. Big Smile.


     
  16-Mar-11, 09:34   #15
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mahdrof 

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I sometimes limp in early position with monsters if the table has been super-aggressive and I know I will be raised, but if nobody raises and several are in, you have to be careful unless you hit the board. AA should have clearly folded in this case as it was obvious that somebody had better hand than him. I cracked AA yesterday in a similar way: small raise by AA, suited connectors for me, flop two pair and the way he was betting made it obvious he had slow-played monsters. All cards were small so by the time the river card came we were both all-in and I won, at which point I was made out to be a donk. Oh well...

     
  16-Mar-11, 10:11   #16
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mrnugger 

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Posted by mahdrof:
I sometimes limp in early position with monsters if the table has been super-aggressive and I know I will be raised, but if nobody raises and several are in, you have to be careful unless you hit the board. AA should have clearly folded in this case as it was obvious that somebody had better hand than him. I cracked AA yesterday in a similar way: small raise by AA, suited connectors for me, flop two pair and the way he was betting made it obvious he had slow-played monsters. All cards were small so by the time the river card came we were both all-in and I won, at which point I was made out to be a donk. Oh well...


yep , they play their monster hand in a terrible way and than calling you a donk ... makes me laugh Big Smile

     
  16-Mar-11, 14:20   #17
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Hajinnho 

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Posted by arathemis:
Loosing with AA is not that difficult, specially when you only limp in. Had a situation at a table I was playing on where a player limped with AA. Flop came 4 T K. AA raised, BB went allin, AA called. BB shows T 4. Big Smile.



okok, if you limp in, that is just a completly different story... i mean you are just not protecting anything by limping in... Its better winning blinds than loosing a great pot by limping in with AA, thats for sure!

     
  17-Mar-11, 11:05   #18
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arathemis 
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It wasn`t me the one who limped. I was folded and was just watching the action at my table.

And I agree with you that winning 2-3 blinds is better than loosing half your stack to a limper thinking that you have the best hand.

     
  17-Mar-11, 11:07   #19
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Hajinnho 

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well the problem is if you just limp with aces you allow any hand to get to the flop.

connectors, suited cards, pocketpairs.... you will just be outflopped or someone draws against you. Thats why you raise and can be angry about only winning blinds... But at least you havent lost your stack beacause someone really hit the board Blink

     
  17-Mar-11, 11:11   #20
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arathemis 
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I totally agree with you. Even betting doesn`t necessarily mean that the maniacs will gotten out of the way, specially at smaller stakes.

     
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