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  17-Mar-11, 05:48   #1
Rigged Sofwares ! MY OPINION ! +1 
iiiml0sto1 
Joined: Nov '09
Location: Denmark
Age: 28 (M)
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We as online poker players have at some point came across the word ''Rigged'' When we speak aboudt poker, i understand why people are concerned aboudt rigged online poker ! and i'm sure that some sites/softwares realy are rigged, i know two sites that i will never play on again (no names mentioned), i tracked all the hands that i saw my oponnent had and all the hands that i personaly plyed/saw, i did thisi for aboudt 1-2 weeks and found it stunning how often pairs/river beats was taken compared to legit sites !
Im 100% sure that Ps (Poker stars) & Ft (Fulltilt poker) is NOT rigged !
Ive ben playing on both sites daily for 2-3 Years, im not a donkey & im not a pro AND ive seen many bad beats !
(Remember its mostly the bad beats where you loses the big money ''When the opponent gets lucky'' but keep in mind that luck is short term and skill is long term)

And remember you probaly don't remember the pot where you won youre first 50$ for very long right ?

But u will remember the pots where you lose 50$ 500$ 5000$ ! and thats when you MIGHT go on ''Tilt'' allso called rigged online poker Blink and that will ruin you !

If you want succes in online poker you HAVE to realise that bad beats CANT be prevented (Well yea some can) some beats are worse than otthers etc when you as a ''normal/new player'' loses A-A

Could look like this.

9 man table 1$sb 2$bb

bb (you) 2$

-UTG Raises 3x bb = 6$ (Usualy shows a good hand strenght put him on A-A K-K Q-Q A-K preflop)
(REMEMBER EACH PLAYER HAVE THIR OWN PLAYING STYLE)

-Button 3bets 6$x2 = 12$ (He could be holding a huge various of hands, just playing the button)
(REMEMBER EACH PLAYER HAVE THIR OWN PLAYING STYLE)

-Bb (you) you flat call the last 10$ (NOT A GOOD MOVE IN THIS SITUATION, tbh i would prefer shoved cause im out of position)

-UTG shove allin

-button calls

-You can't realy do anything but call yourself allin.



-UTG 7-8 OFFSUIT (Maniac noob) just not playable in earlyposition + he faces a 3bet... (what a noob)

-Button K-J Suited (My opinion on this hand would be ''very donkey'' after a 4bet shove K-J suited are no good, its so easily dominated)
(Yes playable on button but just limp or call if raised(100% blind steal if no one raised b4 u(min raise)))

-Bb A-A Offsuit

Flop

K-J-10 (Rainbow) Thumbs Down

Turn

A Dollar Worship Dollar

River

9 Aww crap!

Okay, so you lost... well i will now challenge you ;] if you think aboudt it how good are youre odds with A-A against any two cards ? and how good are youre a-a against any two opponents ? yes you have the best odds for sure. but u will allways risk to lose preflop NO MATTER WHAT HAND YOU HAVE !

Okay, my thread should realy not be aboudt rigged poker sites more aboudt rigged tracking softwares



Okay anyone knows if the tracking softwares are rigged ?
ive ben using PE5 for 1 year +, and i ran out of membership 1-2 months ago.
i havent realy ben doing very well since i started using PE5, and i now played allmost 2 months without it ! so no more instant HUD analyses or any analyses at all !.. but i play alot better now ?
i might not be able to see if my opponent raises 1%-2%-15%-20%-30% of his hands or what he do.. idk if he played 1m hands or 1k hands...
so i am wondering if the tracking software might store my ownhand and send it out to some who can see my cards ? afterall ''I'' can see the mucked cards if someone loses a hand and muck against me ?
just wondering !

Sorry if my English or the Thread was unreadable i tryed to do my best !

-Christian, 19.

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Cmon with the reply´s guys ! i cant wait for some serious comments !! Smile

Edited by iiiml0sto1 (17 March 2011 @ 06:08 GMT)


     
  17-Mar-11, 06:02   #2
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hoodi420 

Joined: Jan '11
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Well, since I don't use any kind of poker tracker software I cannot attest to whether or not it is rigged, or internet poker in general. It's definately a frequently discussed topic.

     
  17-Mar-11, 06:06   #3
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iiiml0sto1 
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Thanks for youre reply ! Smile

     
  17-Mar-11, 07:22   #4
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doomdy 

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Dont ever complain if you played the hand completely wrong!
First learn poker please before complaining.

     
  17-Mar-11, 07:48   #5
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iiiml0sto1 
Joined: Nov '09
Location: Denmark
Age: 28 (M)
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First read the thread before flaming.

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Btw you tell me to learn poker ? My ROI is 61% and im only 19.
Semi pro in 2013 ? and 50$ in 2011 ? you cant go a single stake up with a ROI ON 31% LOOL learn poker kiddo on 40 years

Average Stake: $11, ROI 31%
Goal1: Play upto $50 stakes in 2011
Goal2: (semi)Pro in 2013

     
  17-Mar-11, 09:16   #6
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jessthehuman 

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Location: Australia
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you got an ROI of 61% over how many games and what type of game/stake ?

Also - doomdy is the most successful player I know of on BRM.. By a Looooong way.

     
  17-Mar-11, 09:32   #7
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arathemis 
Joined: Mar '11
Location: Romania
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It`s all in our heads weather we think a poker room is rigged or not. If one thinks FullTilt is rigged no matter how manny examples or arguments you bring he won`t change his mind.

     
  17-Mar-11, 09:41   #8
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RoChupacabra 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Romania
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i prefer not to give any opinion to the 'rigged' thingy but i would like to mention that tracking softwares are affecting your playing style... A LOT. You rely on some numbers rather than relying on your opponents' playing style (which can be analyzed throughout the tournament) and all your confidence goes into those percentages which are nothing more but some variables.

My 'advice' (it maybe sounds like a big word and i'm not the entitled person to give you advices) is to play with your own head and with your own brain mathematics.

P.S. : I don't think that Ivey or Blom use tracking softwares Tongue

     
  17-Mar-11, 09:43   #9
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mahdrof 

Joined: Nov '09
Location: Canada
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I agree that most sites are not rigged. The hands where you get bad beats, analyze the hand and ask yourself if you would have called in that situation. Yesterday I cracked AA: the guy raised 3xbb, I was in position with suited connectors so I called and flopped two pair. The way he was betting I knew he had monsters but with all low cards I also knew he didn't have trips. He berated me afterwards but maybe he should have realized that his weak preflop bet allowed me to see a flop, and that pushing hard with AA and me pushing back meant that he wasn't ahead anymore. Poker.

     
  17-Mar-11, 10:11   #10
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mrnugger 

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it is very simle ... how many times do you see a flop let's say 9 9 6 and you folded holding 9 6 or a flop with 2 4 6 and you folded with 3 5 in your hands .
this happends oftend and if a donk calls you preflop with such a hand and he hit the site is rigged .
the problem is not the software off the site , the biggest problem sometimes is the opponents you are playing against .
bye the way , would be glad to see some evidence of your personal stats .
it's easy to say my roi is blablabla and i play blablabla and my target is blablabla .
as about giving thumbs down to doomdy , well , he might be one of the few mobsters who's advice or opinion is taking very seriously by other mobsters as he is indeed the most succesfull player amoung us .


Edited by mrnugger (17 March 2011 @ 10:19 GMT)


     
  17-Mar-11, 11:09   #11
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Hajinnho 

Joined: Jan '10
Location: Germany
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yeah.... mrnugger you are right. The problem is: you would have hit the same boards if you just had called preflop. But as a good player you just didnt call. They do, and that´s why they more often hit thos wonderful flops

     
  17-Mar-11, 19:38   #12
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
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Posted by iiiml0sto1:
First read the thread before flaming.

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Btw you tell me to learn poker ? My ROI is 61% and im only 19.
Semi pro in 2013 ? and 50$ in 2011 ? you cant go a single stake up with a ROI ON 31% LOOL learn poker kiddo on 40 years

Average Stake: $11, ROI 31%
Goal1: Play upto $50 stakes in 2011
Goal2: (semi)Pro in 2013


Wots your point?
I never compete to any1 thru ROI, i only measure in roll, wots the point in having a ROI 264% with no roll for example. Anyway if your measurement calculate your beter then me no problem.

I only wanted to say that flatcalling with AA after a raise and reraise preflop is asking for trouble and then learn preflop betting, thats just my opinion....

     
  17-Mar-11, 19:56   #13
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SuperNoob 

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Location: India
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Posts: 4873
ahhh another rigged thread dohhhhh Hit PC Hit PC Help Help

     
  17-Mar-11, 20:03   #14
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B1gfoot 

Joined: Mar '08
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Posted by iiiml0sto1:

Cmon with the reply's guys ! i cant wait for some serious comments !! Smile

BOOOOOOOOBs
As to the thread, not bad one, IMO most software are not rigged, as you say BBs will alwys happen no matter what, but think some software might be flawed, leading some to think its rigged.

Edited by B1gfoot (17 March 2011 @ 20:28 GMT)

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  17-Mar-11, 20:21   #15
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iiiml0sto1 
Joined: Nov '09
Location: Denmark
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 30
Still read the thread.. you obivsly dident..

And when you read it i dont recommend flatcalling ?
And theres many ways to play preflop depending on youre opponent, if you were that good you should know aboudt that ?

     
  17-Mar-11, 20:41   #16
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 6197
Posted by iiiml0sto1:
if you were that good you should know aboudt that ?


Were did you read i was any good????

But i know 1 thing, never flatcall AA after a raise and reraise.

Edited by doomdy (17 March 2011 @ 21:01 GMT)


     
  17-Mar-11, 20:53   #17
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BadeaCR 
Joined: Oct '10
Location: Romania
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 178
OP nick on site pls Smile average stake 11$, ROI 31% on 10 games? Big Smile

     
  17-Mar-11, 21:38   #18
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 35 (M)
Posts: 6482
Posted by BadeaCR:
OP nick on site pls Smile average stake 11$, ROI 31% on 10 games? Big Smile


That's doomdy's (sustained) ROI..

OP is claiming 61% and I'd love to see evidence (like over how many games exactly). Also RIO aint s**t compared to hourly IMO.

     
  17-Mar-11, 22:47   #19
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Greenmohave 

Joined: Jan '11
Location: United States
Age: 55 (M)
Posts: 3361
I'm pretty much a beginner, but fare okay since gaining a world of information through BRM. Some of the poker lingo is hard for me to interpret at times, but still reading and learning. My first impression of this thread was, I was going to be disappointed about reading more negative info on electronic poker being rigged, but was surprised with the read. Makes me think, but liked the post and replies for the biggest part. Sounds impressive especially the stats and your knowledge of them. Good Luck and sorry I can't compete with any argueable or supportive feedback.

     
  17-Mar-11, 23:10   #20
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JazzyJeff 
Joined: Feb '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 817
hmmm i must say i agree with mrnugger and doomdy, and by the way: u've
been playing both sites for 2-3 years u say? And your 19 now?
I thought min. age for that was 18 Shock , anyone remembers the underaged
kid who won on Stars and was denied?
And B1gfoot: u have really nice sisters Big Smile

     
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