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Hey! wrote a topic yesterday about giving up poker and selling PT3. But some1 wrote sometihng about not giving up poker, some1 that is good that 1 admit that im bad at poker and not rigged software ect, one user from serbia said he could give some advice or caoching! that would be rly nice!
Soe, Is there any1 that can give me some cash game full ring private coaching? there is no pm here, Btw for free! I could mb give you the winning after some sessions! i give you my skype id or how can we talk together... I want to be better at poker. thnx.
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Posted by DansihAk47: Hey! wrote a topic yesterday about giving up poker and selling PT3. But some1 wrote sometihng about not giving up poker, some1 that is good that 1 admit that im bad at poker and not rigged software ect, one user from serbia said he could give some advice or caoching! that would be rly nice!
Soe, Is there any1 that can give me some cash game full ring private coaching? there is no pm here, Btw for free! I could mb give you the winning after some sessions! i give you my skype id or how can we talk together... I want to be better at poker. thnx.
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Google this------playing texas holdem---- and then after that click the first link at the top it's a good one and teaches you the rules and explains the entire game. Good Luck
Edited by crazyhorse99 (24 March 2011 @ 14:38 GMT)
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jovica is the the Mobster your looking for. Maybe he'll see your post and reply later or maybe you can post another thread with his name in the the topic header. Something like "Jovica Help Accepted" or something to catch his attention. Good Luck and remember to have a little fun at this game. I lost yesterday by becoming frustrated with 2 losses. All it did was cause me to lose more.
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I saw your post now... I was not thinking about coaching, I was thinking about advices that lot of members can give you to improve your game. Listen, I have just noticed your biggest mistake!!! DONT PLAY CASH GAMES! Obviously you are not type of player that can play them. As people here now Im profitable player with great ROI but...Im not profitable at cash so... Im not playing it. Find format that suits you most. I recommend multi table SNG and sometimes try to play tournament with small buy in. Use freerolls to practice also. Most of members of this forum that are profitable play MTTs and SNG. My personal thinking is that tourney games are more sport and cash games are more gambling. U DONT WANT TO GAMBLE! Try to play ABC poker. In early stage of SNG play only premium hands, If you see someone raises and other guy reraise fold AJ, fold AQ also. Dont go all in with JJ... Try to see all cards and to make best hand before putting all chips in. When blinds go up play more hand but play them aggressive! Dont play from early position. Play only from late position. Dont try to catch maniac on bluff. Wait for good hand and then trap him and make him pay... Use bankroll management! You must have 50 buy ins at least. If you notice that you tilting, make a pause! At least half an hour! When you are busted try to think about it. Try to find out where did you made mistake and then use that in next game.
Try to follow this rules few days and then tell us did you made any money! Please, try it and keep us informed!
I would like to see other members try to give good advices that work for them. Come on guys!
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Hey - Jovica, you said most of it...
Read, watch and play freerolls to feel comfortable at the table. Watch other ppl playing and analize what they do wrong... Don't get into beating contest with nothing. Work on tightnes and aggresion..
Realy - try freerolls, and learn, learn, learn..... It's easier to play when you don't think about money..
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Hm, why do you all think that Cash Games aren´t worth to play ? I am fairly new to Poker (about 2 month) and just have build up a small bankroll with my first no deposit bonus from $50 to $125. But beside from freerolls I mainly play Cash Game on low limit (0,05/0,10). Why are SnG better to play ?
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Posted by MIGO14: Hm, why do you all think that Cash Games aren't worth to play ? I am fairly new to Poker (about 2 month) and just have build up a small bankroll with my first no deposit bonus from $50 to $125. But beside from freerolls I mainly play Cash Game on low limit (0,05/0,10). Why are SnG better to play ?
There are lot of reasons. First of all its more dangerous to play cash games, especially if you are beginner. Losing of control and tilting can lead you to losing entire bankroll in few hours or less. Second, more place for making mistakes. If you make mistake in SNG there is still chance to win it and if you are busted you just register to another one. If you are playing cash every mistake mans losing money. Third, if you no running good in cash games you will almost sure lose session. In SNG you can still win by making right plays in right times when blinds go up. Strategy play bigger roll in SNG then in cash game. And, if you keep on losing cash games (like DanshiAk) then that is definitely not your thing and you should try something different.
------------ BTW thing that you up 75$ in 2 months doesnt have to mean anything since that is too small sample. Poker is game with bad downswings! You will see that. And format that provide you less chance to bust your entire bankroll is always better solution! Especially if you are beginner!
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Hm okay, I here what you say and I do understand your arguments. BTW: With mentioning my $50 to 125$ Bankroll I don´t wanted to say that I am a good player. I just wanted to point out my current situation. My Problem is that at the moment I just have an account with PartyPoker. On low buy in ($1 and $3) the rake is 20% and the $1 SnG are only Turbos and I feel that Turbo SnG are more like gambling, because you have to have more luck of getting good cards in a short time. So what would you recommend ? And wich form is better to beat - Single Table or Multitable (on PP 30 or 50 players) ?
Dan: if u want to play for fun u dont need deposit.. play freeroll and enjoy the game. if u look poker for a bussines u need to learn,and upgrade yourself. first of all u need read articles and books.
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Posted by MIGO14: Hm okay, I here what you say and I do understand your arguments. BTW: With mentioning my $50 to 125$ Bankroll I don't wanted to say that I am a good player. I just wanted to point out my current situation. My Problem is that at the moment I just have an account with PartyPoker. On low buy in ($1 and $3) the rake is 20% and the $1 SnG are only Turbos and I feel that Turbo SnG are more like gambling, because you have to have more luck of getting good cards in a short time. So what would you recommend ? And wich form is better to beat - Single Table or Multitable (on PP 30 or 50 players) ?
First of all I would suggest you to change room. You are wrong, rake is higher then 20%. 3$ sng: 2,4 does to prize pool so that would be 2,4+60$ and that is exactly 25% which is highest in online poker anywhere!
If you have smaller bankroll I think better is to play single table since you will have less variance. But if you manage to cash few times in row in those multitable SNG that can boost your bankroll really good.. Every player has his own mind set and way of play. Its best for you to try both and to keep on playing on format where you feel comfortable and where you show better profit.
jovicakralj, if you are content with recreational play, then you can stick to MTTs and SNGs. But if your objective is to earn money with poker, then you will have to start playing cash sooner or later. Because this is where all the money is. The fact that you are not profitable in cash games at the moments tells only about one thing: you need to learn them and practice them more. My suggestion to you (and all others who contemplate moving to cash tables) is as follows. Make your bankroll up to 625 $ on MTTs or SNGs. Start playing NL 25 with strict bankroll management. Don't get tempted by NL2 - NL10. It is a donkfest and you won't learn anything on these tables. If your bankroll goes below 625 $ go back to MTTs until you restore it. Then go back to cash tables. One day you you'll realize that your bankroll allows you to stay on these limits. When you make your bankroll up to 1250$ move to NL50.
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@schmoyster: You are wrong my friend because Im not recreational player and I actually earn money with poker. If there is all money in cash games I guess all those millions of SNG and MTT are for play money? For me cash games are gambling. Not pure but...close. That is my opinion. Why would someone build his bankroll to 600$ with SNG and then risk everything on cash where he didnt made cent???
@biankahun: Thanks! I still must disagree in one thing with you. Books and articles can do good to your game indeed but... You must know what you can apply from them and what cant! There are lot of things there that can make your game lot worse then it is! Best is to give you example: Some time ago, I found Doyles Supersystem (according to most best book about poker ever). I have read few chapters and decided to play like Doyle say. Result was this: I have lost few buy ins and I lost them FAST! And then I realize one thing: Doyle play NL20000 and I play NL10! Those two are like sky and earth, like east and west... Give you an example again: Doyle say that you should play your draws aggressive and if scary card hits on river and you didnt made your draw (for example, 3rd heart) and you put your opponent on 2 pairs you should make huge raise representing that that heart made your flush and in most of cases your opponent will fold. Now, you can try that on micros. You will manage to make your opponent folds.... 1 in 20 times....if you are lucky! Best way to learn is on your own mistakes!!!
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@ jovi: You are right, indeed it is 25% rake if you calculated it this way. For sure I will also sign up with an other room in future, but first I have to clear my First deposit bonus on Party Poker. And because of the fact that my time for poker is limited I have to concentrate on Party Poker at the moment, because it is very hard to clear this bonus on my current limit (NL10). My plan is to clear this bonus and hopefully build up my bankroll a bit more and then sign up with BRM maybe on FullTilt with their rakeback Deal.
Posted by jovicakralj: If there is all money in cash games I guess all those millions of SNG and MTT are for play money?
No. But to make any decent money you need to reach a final table. And that is 6 - 8 hours to play. And it doesn't happen every day. When I said that all money is in cash games I didn't mean it literally (and I think you realize it). All I wanted to say is that cash games are so much more profitable than MTTs. Take the list of top online earners at any given time or for any period - they are ALL cash players.
Posted by jovicakralj: For me cash games are gambling.
Why? With any given hand your odds are the same in cash game or MTT.
Posted by jovicakralj: Why would someone build his bankroll to 600$ with SNG and then risk everything on cash where he didnt made cent???
It was 625 $, not 600 $ (25 buy-in rule). And who said about "risking everything"? I mentioned strict bankroll management, didn't I? Enter ONE table with 25$ and play one session. DON'T REBUY. If it was a loosing session go back to MTTs to restore to 625. If it was a winning session keep playing one table until you have 650 $. Then you can start playing two tables. If you go below 650, go back to playing one table.
With certain talent and discipline it is relatively easy.
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OK. I must reply. Reach final table? In single table SNG? You can play 10 MTTs at once. And when you reach final table and win first place that is usually between 100 and 1000 buy ins! You can make 1000 buy ins on cash games every day? Top online earners. Yup, top 10 are probably cash players, lot of them comes and goes... Isuldur1 lost his entire bankroll in one session! You can earn fast huge amount of money but you can lose it also! Very fast! If you go from 10th place you will see lot of players that play SNGs. Look at list of PS Supernova elite players. Lot of them play SNG. Dario Minieri is one of them. And he is first guy that bought Lamborghini with FPP. Cash game players are more famous because of swings and amout of money that they put on table.
If you cant see why I wont bother to explain. Read my second post.
Risking whole 600+25$ on format that you are not familiar with! Why would you make nice profit on one type of game, feel comfortable playing and then you switch on type of game where you are not showing any profit only loses??? Because top players are cash players? I DONT CARE FOR TOP PLAYERS. I only care about my own profit!
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sorry, but saying cashgame is a gabmle game more than MTT and SNG is nonsence. You can play cashgame just as you play the MTT or SnG. However, the blinds will always be the same, for me that is a big +. since im a very tight/aggresive player i can sit for a very long time on cashgame without being blinded out. Its your mindset i think is the problem. Many people change their game when they play cashgame, why is that? Just stick to your normal game, dont gamble and dont play hands you dont know how to play just because the blinds are cheap. Stick to your a game, join 0.01-0.02 with $1 like if you entered a SnG or MTT and leave again when you have $1.50 or close too. Find a new table and do the same. Dont be in a hurry, let it take the time it takes. You dont NEED to take all their money in 1 sesson. Just to improve your own step by step. There is many diffrent advices and this is just my advice. As your getting better you can tweak your own style
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Posted by jovicakralj: I already wrote reasons why I think that cash games are gambling more then tourneys. My opinion is still in second post in this tread.
i know, no worries. Im not fighting you. Just writing my own oppinion mate
