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I've been playing approx. 6 years on Poker Sites and have seen almost everything happen !
It seems to me that poker skills are secondary in a lot of cases. Have you ever played on a site and kept entering different games only to be set up to loose.
Yep it happens and can last from a day to a couple of weeks. Even AA will be cracked more times on you than normal. I tell the wife, "they've turned off the switch on me"
It's great when your on a roll and nothing can beat you but when that switch is off you might as well go and watch TV. I don't care how good you are, youaren't going to win.
I have cashed many tournaments, winning $ 1800.00 US and too many $ 100 - $ 400 Tourneys to even mention.
Won a Canadian Championship on Bet Fair and was flown to Toronto to Compete in a 1 million dollar chance in Europe.
Yes I've played a lot and will keep playing but my point being, when the computer says it time for you to go, your at it's mercy !
So now I keep my entrances limited to a $ 5 max. game and enter a lot of freerolls, it's all fun but don't take it too serious, it's like playing the slot machines.
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Posted by byng0: It seems to me that poker skills are secondary in a lot of cases.
In an individual hand you can mathematically work out EXACTLY how much luck is involved. In an individual MTT/SNG/Ring-session there's certainly a lot of luck involved (what cards you get dealt, how you connect with flop, etc) In a whole day/week/month - the luck factor drops as the time factor increases..
Over the course of your poker career.. Luck has a LOT less to do with it. You can actually google, standard variation, etc - to see either end of the winning spectrum for a given win-rate over a given sample size of hands.
Ultimately - after 100K+ hands - it's heavily weighted to skill
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Liked your thread. Myself, being a beginner would like to have this kind of an outlook on the game down the road. I really don't have any high expectations, but have noticed the trends you mention. Also, never thought I could enjoy playing a card game so much, especially finding it at my age. I don't know if it's just a short lived hobby/thing for me or if it's something I'll have fun with the rest of my life. I guess that's why I liked your thread or theory in explaining the ups and downs of the game. It's apparent you've had some great experiences playing over the years. And, instead of being frustrated with the downs of the game you look at it logically. You've had and still are having fun playing and if I stop having fun with it, then that's when I think I shouldn't be playing the game. Hope this wasn't to confusing! Good Luck to All!
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I agree sometimes you get the worst hands on the flop, today I played a ring game of NL400, I had KK preflop, I bet $50 and the button called me and guess what he had 34 in his hand, flop came 652 hell ya that was for me the turning point to take a long break now.
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Also - I don't like the tone of your post. It sounds awfully close to Rigtard territory and trust me you don't wanna step there.
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Posted by GIOMi6: I agree sometimes you get the worst hands on the flop, today I played a ring game of NL400, I had KK preflop, I bet $50 and the button called me and guess what he had 34 in his hand, flop came 652 hell ya that was for me the turning point to take a long break now.
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Posted by GIOMi6: I agree sometimes you get the worst hands on the flop, today I played a ring game of NL400, I had KK preflop, I bet $50 and the button called me and guess what he had 34 in his hand, flop came 652 hell ya that was for me the turning point to take a long break now.
yep thats how it swings in 2/4 lol ive did it myself and got it from others, the thinking behind it the guy knows you prob have big cards and if he hits the flop good hes going to get a payday but ul its crap when it happens to you but its the great thing about little sooted connectors
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[QUOTE]Posted by jessthehuman: Also - I don't like the tone of your post. It sounds awfully close to Rigtard territory and trust me you don't wanna step there.
------------ I personnaly don't care what the Ferk you like. My tone is based on facts from myself and others and at 27 years old you know about as much of real life as the next guy, so dont put your , I know everything, attitude on me PUNK !
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Posted by byng0: [QUOTE]Posted by jessthehuman: Also - I don't like the tone of your post. It sounds awfully close to Rigtard territory and trust me you don't wanna step there.
------------ I personnaly don't care what the Ferk you like. My tone is based on facts from myself and others and at 27 years old you know about as much of real life as the next guy, so dont put your , I know everything, attitude on me PUNK !
Have a nice day Mr. Expert !!
I see your setting out to make friends. I tend to agree that your are pushing rigtard. I've been playing at a lot of sites, and have built bankrolls from nothing. Can't possibly be luck...Now i'm not a poker pro so maybe it is rigged...to my favor...maybe the odds are against pros like yourself. Or maybe you just need to heed your own advise and go watch television for a while. Come back after you've cooled down. But i entirely disagree that it's luck...unless your going all in preflop every other hand. I do think that it would be in your best interest to take a break for a week or two. Perhaps that will give you the clear head you need to get back into your game. Downswings are a part of the game of poker. Get used to it. You may be good but even the best can't win them all. I say all this with the greatest respect. I hope that you would refrain from name calling, heed the advice that you posted and I reaffirmed. Good luck, and I hope things start getting better for you.
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Posted by byng0: [QUOTE]Posted by jessthehuman: Also - I don't like the tone of your post. It sounds awfully close to Rigtard territory and trust me you don't wanna step there.
------------ I personnaly don't care what the Ferk you like. My tone is based on facts from myself and others and at 27 years old you know about as much of real life as the next guy, so dont put your , I know everything, attitude on me PUNK !
Have a nice day Mr. Expert !!
lol. you're absolutely right - your being 60 years old obviously means you're correct in your insane assumptions. Absolutely.Thats such a rational thought process..
Hey you know something ? I got an IQ of 150 (thats quite high in case you weren't sure) and since IQ peaks @ around 21 and you're 60 - chances are I'm a lot f**king brighter than you ya old c*nt.
If you're going to argue with me, then give me some rational/logical viewpoint - not some b******t about being 60yrs cause I dont give a f**k.
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Posted by byng0: BOTH OF THE ABOVE STATEMENTS make absolutely no sense, typical racist unemployed punks.
NOW GO CRY TO MOMMY BOTH OF YOU PUKES
1. I'm self employed. Fix computers from home. 2. How in GOD's name did you come up with the idea that i was racist from what i said? 3. The only one crying here is you..
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It certainly is a wild ride at times and in each individual hand, the value of skill is less. I obviously can't skillfully will those trips out. The skill is in knowing what to play and where, calculating odds, and noticing betting patterns, do all these and you'll be much better off on the long haul (which I'm certain you do given those past sucesses you mentioned, congrats btw I hope I eke out half as much).
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Hey you know something ? I got an IQ of 150 (thats quite high in case you weren't sure) and since IQ peaks @ around 21 and you're 60 - chances are I'm a lot fucking brighter than you ya old c*nt.
We all know that Poker is a game of luck where skill makes the difference in the long run. There really is no discussion about that and I don´t have the time to waste on that particular subject.
But I have to contradict the statement you made up there Jess. IQ does not peak at 21 and then drop. It´s just a general perception and widespread misconception that this is so. In fact in many cases it actually can increase, but mostly remains stable until more or less 60-65 when it starts to decline.
From 21 on, memory retention, visual acuity etc. starts to drop. But knowledge, the ability to create and put relations into context etc. increases. So it actually evens out.
I added a graph of "mean" high IQ´s by age group. The highest IQ´s (only slightly), are actually around 39-44.
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that's actually fascinating. You know - I'm glad you didn't let it slide - I'm always happy to have some knowledge that I've taken for granted corrected. The funny thing is, I got my information from a tv show regarding IQ - it was a documentary, mostly regarding social commentary about Africans and a perceived inherent lower IQ in Africans that turned out to be socio-economic related rather than racial. But yeah, they went into how there's weighting (like a handicap in a horse race) that boosts the IQ for those over a certain age bracket..
But that's interesting what you say. LOL - I feel a lot better actually (about getting older.. i value my mind/intellect above all else) - you've actually made my day lol.
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Posted by IslandJack:
Posted by jessthehuman: and you're 60 ... ya old c*nt.
In fact in many cases it actually can increase, but mostly remains stable until more or less 60-65 when it starts to decline.
Haha - at least it looks as though I'm partly right
------------ next job for you smarty pants: Work out what the f**k he was talking about re:Racism/Unemployed. Because I see no mention of either of those things and I for one aren't racist or unemployed.. Although I was a punk @ around the age of 15/16 (mohawk that sort of thing... /shame /cry). So I guess 1 outta 3 ain't too bad
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