@jess - well, BRM has it, so you could make BRM-like site, which would be scam of course. Something with rakeback or deposit bonuses would be better, because I bet you wouldn't win a lot from players with no deposit bonuses So that's very simple way to get someones IP. But I agree with everything else you say. With all due respect Not2Bryte, but I also think you're oversimplificating this one It's possible, I agree, but it sounds so easy only in theory. It can't be easier than planting spy program, like @shokaku said, but that whole stuff with IP would be hard.
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interestingly enough, one of the easier ways (should I really go into this here?? lol) to do something like this would be to install some kind of trojan server on the victimes PC.
That way you can completely avoid the whole encryption issue.
Back in the 90s there was ready made programs such as "Back orrifice" and "sub7". These days theres plenty of legitimate VNC clients and servers such as WinVNC, UltraVNC etc. The main problem is windows and AV in general is a LOT more beefed up these days.. Still though, if you actually knew your target or better yet had access to their laptop/PC you could install a server such as UltraVNC-Server on to their computer - set it to "hidden" mode and then literally log in remotely and gain access of their PC - however, rather than controlling their mouse etc as those programs are designed for - you would simply set their view on to a dual monitor setup - so on one screen you have your poker client and on the other screen you could literally see what ever they were able to see on their screen. There is absolutely NO decryption necessary here..
The only difficult (admittably very difficult these days) part is to actually install the server.. most people are pretty savy to trojans these days and even if they aren't, windows VISTA onwards and ANY AV suite certainly is.. Best way would be physical access to their laptop/PC
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Posted by LooseKiddie: @jess - well, BRM has it, so you could make BRM-like site, which would be scam of course.
Yes of course - I mean - getting an IP isn't that difficult - even something simple like getting them to add you on msn (pose as a girl anyone ... and run netstat in the command prompt before and after you send them an IM - the new IP address would represent theirs.
I just really wanted to say you cant get an IP just by knowing someones forum ID etc.
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Posted by shokaku: he can plant a spy program on the PC of his victim .
This is what I am referring too - although even this sentence ^^ Makes it sound a LOT simpler than what it is.. I used to do this (sorry peoples) back in the 90s win it was just vs win95 & 98 and back then I used to trick people on ICQ - I'd attach trojan backdoor programs to executables etc and make friends with them, chat for a few days, pose as a girl etc - then once gained their trust I would pretend to send them a pic (a real pic of somebody would be sent) and attached to that would be the trojan.. But security has come a long fucking way since the 90s and it really is quite difficult.. Particularly with hardware firewalls (routers) that literally block incoming and outgoing ports if you have the settings correct - which means the victim would actually have to correctly set the port-forwarding otherwise the packets would be dropped by the router.
i think that all it's possible because there are a lot of programs and hackers that know how do it. you can only create a good level of security for your pc.
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Posted by lomax: i think that all it's possible because there are a lot of programs and hackers that know how do it.
Oh really ? Care to elaborate ? because that is quite a bold statement.. Considering we are talking about top of the line level security when it comes to poker clients/networks/servers.. I would love to hear your reasoning and evidence to back up your claims that "lot of programs and hackers that know how do it"..
Do you actually know that? Or you just guessing that ? Why make such a claim and then say nothing to support how you come to this conclusion ?
I actually know a reasonable amount about IT security and IT in general and it always bugs me when people make these ambiguous statements without any technical specifications as to how these things may be done...
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So what your saying jess is all we need to do is set up a computer fixing company, advertise on poker sites such as this, offering cheepest rates etc and before long we have a fair few screens to watch. We can even offer a home service, for those too bussy,,,guess we may as well add a key logger, could come in handy for CC transactions. BTW anyone know how jail food tastes?
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Posted by B1gfoot: So what your saying jess is all we need to do is set up a computer fixing company, advertise on poker sites such as this, offering cheepest rates etc and before long we have a fair few screens to watch. We can even offer a home service, for those too bussy,,,guess we may as well add a key logger, could come in handy for CC transactions. BTW anyone know how jail food tastes?
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by B1gfoot: So what your saying jess is all we need to do is set up a computer fixing company, advertise on poker sites such as this, offering cheepest rates etc and before long we have a fair few screens to watch. We can even offer a home service, for those too bussy,,,guess we may as well add a key logger, could come in handy for CC transactions. BTW anyone know how jail food tastes?
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Posted by jessthehuman:
This is what I am referring too - although even this sentence ^^ Makes it sound a LOT simpler than what it is.. I used to do this (sorry peoples) back in the 90s win it was just vs win95 & 98 and back then I used to trick people on ICQ - I'd attach trojan backdoor programs to executables etc and make friends with them, chat for a few days, pose as a girl etc - then once gained their trust I would pretend to send them a pic (a real pic of somebody would be sent) and attached to that would be the trojan.. But security has come a long fucking way since the 90s and it really is quite difficult.. Particularly with hardware firewalls (routers) that literally block incoming and outgoing ports if you have the settings correct - which means the victim would actually have to correctly set the port-forwarding otherwise the packets would be dropped by the router.
Jess if i may ask: why were you doing that? Thanks for your posts on how stuff like this works/used to work, i find this very interesting. My field isen't IT, but i'm always willing to learn as much as i can about almost everything. Are/ were you a hacker?
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Posted by JazzyJeff: Jess if i may ask: why were you doing that?
Well, to put it simply I was about 14... That's about it - bigger kids bullied, I was a nerd - so I did these things.. Never anything serious.. However - sub7 was a pretty call back-door program.. You could do cool s**t like use text-speech so whatever you typed would come out of your victims speakers as voice, open and close cd drives, flip their screen (so the display was upside down), heaps of stuff lol - they would have nfi idea what was going on..
But yeh, basically just cause I was young.. I certainly aren't a hacker, but I know a little about IT security and the basics behind how one goes about hacking.. But generally speaking, I'm an ethical person, I would never do anything like that now, as an adult.
It was different in the 90s too, like - these days people are more security conscious and ethics in IT is a lot more defined and contextually understood. However, in the 90s it was a progressive/rebellious thing to know how to do things and it wasn't about being malicious, it was just about being able to do it.
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Oh i get it, just some mischief like we all(most of us anyway) do when were young. And ofcourse, internet was new so i understand it was rebellion and not malice. Sounds like a pretty cool program, you could really scare the crap out of people And yeah in the 90s it was differen't, nowadays people have a lot more to loose when they get hacked, most of their life, money, secrets etc. are linked to their pc and internet. But allthough there are much more possibilities now, i liked the 90s a little bit more.... btw: you do come across as an ethical person(so far ), i was just curious.
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Haha - also - one other thing you could do with sub7 was the make their screen go blank and display whatever text you typed (ala The Matrix - "Hello Neo"
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Not an computer expert but i don't think is enough to have the IP address of a player is enough to hack his computer, you need to make him to download a spyware software in his computer in order to have aces to personal information stored in cache or hard drive. Of course the safeest solution to hack to platform is to have aces to the poker platform servers like on the Ultimate Bet case where those guys were actually playing from the ultimate bet server room. There was also a case in which someone on youtube said he had a software that hacks the Pokerstars software ans allow you to see the hole cards of your opponent, of course it was a trick but many got tricked. I agree that sending a spyware to someone pc could make him to see your hole cards but again this is available to just one player, not all players... Anything is possible but i think the risk is minimal, plus poker platforms win a lot from rake and invest a lot in security.
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Posted by jessthehuman: Haha - also - one other thing you could do with sub7 was the make their screen go blank and display whatever text you typed (ala The Matrix - "Hello Neo"
If i had sub7 back than i would probably tease and trick people also, very funny program
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Interesting thread...jess ever seen the movie "Hackers" it's a pretty good 1 haven't seen it in forever. It's set in the 90's though. Wish I had been more computer savy when I was younger, I'm still learning things everyday.Though with a mac I think my security is pretty good.
The only thing I know for certain on this subject is there are active bots out there. Occasionally I received emails from a holdem bot company based out of Montreal. I can usually tell when I'm playing against one cause they're usually set to hyper agressive. I searched the web to find a hole card reader...found some but the sites have been suspended. So I think if one is so inclined to cheat the bot is the way to go. They claim the bot will play while you sleep and you can set it up to do exactly that. I have no interest in one myself and have blocked emails coming from that source. I use a computer as a tool and do not have intimate knowledge of the inner workings of one. Now, if you want to talk aircraft...there I'm considered an expert by my peers.
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^ There is most definitely 100% for certain bots out there.. But I wouldn't worry about them. Hole card readers is total BS.
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Posted by hoodi420: .Though with a mac I think my security is pretty good.
There's nothing particularly great about MAC security - although it IS better than Windows as it's based on the Unix OS. Mostly though - it's just that windows is the target OS of most malicious software etc. Linux is better for security than MAC or Windows. It's also the OS of choice if you want to hack.
People do realise that even if you change the IP address you are still traceable and can easily be identified.
If you try creating more than one account on a poker site from the same PC you are still able to be traced by the poker sites. Changing your IP address doesnt mean they won't recognise you.
You can re-format your hard drive, re-install a new windows OS, use a new internet connection and they will still know that its you.
WIth that level of technology at their disposal its not totally inconceivable that some computer genius is able to track individual players and gain an advantage using levels of computer know how that to the average person seems unfathomable.
Would anyone stoop to such levels.. Too damn right they would...
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Posted by jessthehuman: Haha - also - one other thing you could do with sub7 was the make their screen go blank and display whatever text you typed (ala The Matrix - "Hello Neo"
What many people using sub7 and back orifice didn't realise is that the program actually worked in reverse as well, so they were installing the software onto other peoples PC then watching everything they did.
What they didn't realise was that by installing the software to spy on others, they were allowing others to gain access to their own PC.
So people were using sub7 to sit watching others, and someone was sat watching them wathing others...
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Posted by fcumred: What many people using sub7 and back orifice didn't realise is that the program actually worked in reverse as well, so they were installing the software onto other peoples PC then watching everything they did.
What they didn't realise was that by installing the software to spy on others, they were allowing others to gain access to their own PC.
So people were using sub7 to sit watching others, and someone was sat watching them wathing others...
True - but it was easy to block all incoming threats if you knew even a little bit about what you were doing.
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Posted by jessthehuman:
You could do cool s**t like use text-speech so whatever you typed would come out of your victims speakers as voice, + flip their screen (so the display was upside down),
Ha ha ha! This would be goddamn spooky, combined with some satanic message from the Excostist or some such.
So that's very simple way to get someones IP. But I agree with everything else you say. With all due respect Not2Bryte, but I also think you're oversimplificating this one 
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