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Hi mobsters! Was playing poker this morning before everybody woke up, and this hand came up on NL50. It ended well, but after it was over I was wondering about my call. I am in the big blind, late position half-stacker min raises and small blind calls. My drawing hands were not hitting this morning so I was playing pretty tight and that was a good thing, as none of my usual favourites like small pockets or suited connectors/one-gappers were hitting. Preflop do you call or fold?
BTW, after the flop came down we raised and reraised each other until we were both all in.
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well I would have personally called, but thats because I really don't like min raises and I want them to be punished. But I think a expert opinion is more in place here . and tbh if you kept reraising him he should have figured his AA was beat because of his min raise. thats my humble opinion.
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Posted by Battle87: he should have figured his AA was beat because of his min raise. thats my humble opinion.
My thoughts exactly, I was surprised he didn't berate me. I have been called all kinds of sh*t for taking down AA with far better cards than 5-7o, but few players at that level can lay them down. Sometimes I slow play AA in early position hoping for a raise so I can shove a big reraise, but if it is flat called all around be careful!
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Thats actually a very interesting hand. I would definately call since it's a min raise, but thats not all, i would have also call because he was short stacked. That player was multi tabeling or he was a fish? I would like to talk more about the way he played his hand, and thats bad. You don't play aces like that. Even though he was short stacked when you have pocket aces you need to raise preflop your standard preflop raise, 3x or 4x. Actually min raise it's the worst thing to do in this cases. I think he wanted to do a min raise and expect to get a reraise, and then to shove it all in. Considering that was a min raise and you were bb you should have definately call, after you flopped the nuts everything was clear after....
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Shitty situation. We are in a sandwich after the flop and have a junkish starting hand, but we may be able to win big pot after the flop and have to pay only one big blind to see the flop. I guess it is a fold, but the way the raiser played the hand every call is good against him.
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Posted by jolenissen: But 57o is a bad hand... Personally, I would have folded - even for a min-raise!
yes but even a bad hand can win, its imo the right move to call there even tho he's out of position. Several factors to make the call there, alot of players online tend to min raise with AA or KK to lure out a reraise. So if you just flat call there and flop a disguised nuts then the chances are more likely the other player is gonna get all his chips in the middle. Why not call on a min raise, it will only cost you 1 bb more to see the flop and that changes alot, and especially in the bb you allready have 1 in there so why fold for 1 more. Good call from mahdrof, really bad play from the guy with AA, never but then never min raise AA even slowplaying is dangerous if nobody desides to raise after you, there are dozens of hands you could be up against wich have your pair of AA easly beat. Yes you can try and lure out a reraise with a min raise, but anybody with a bit of a brain wouldn't be reraising if you can see the flop that cheap, unless you have another big pocket then you should reraise to see where you're at.
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easy call in my opinion. yes you have complete bollox for a hand but you could hit a monster with 2 people in the hand possible for alot of chips if you hit big, your sitting with 71bb and you have one in the pot and one guys got $50 other has $28. OK its bollox but it will sometimes flop a monster like you did and for 1 bb why not. I would rather call with garbage against someone i think might have a strong hand than call with AJ, KJ, and other semi decent hands but you often have no clue where you are if you hit. you know where you stand with hands like this you need to hit 2 pair to feel safe. im not saying call with any crap like 93, 96, Q6 ect but you have a semi connecting hand with possibilities. also think he got his just reward for his min raise NH mahdrof
damn jess you sneaked in there infront of me must stop smoking while posting
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5 7 unsuited in the big blind is a very weak starting hand and by the way you are in a very bad position to limp in. I would have folded. You got lucky there that the flop came your way, but on the long term just fold the hand. If there were suited connectors or small pocket pairs I would limp in with an cheap call to see the flop, if I do not have a set on the flop or a flush draw I would fold it, but 5 7 unsuited is a very weak hand to limp in my friend. First hand of the WSOP Main Event: would you do the same if you were in the big blind and holding 5 7 offsuit??
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Posted by GIOMi6: 5 7 unsuited in the big blind is a very weak starting hand and by the way you are in a very bad position to limp in. I would have folded. You got lucky there that the flop came your way, but on the long term just fold the hand. If there were suited connectors or small pocket pairs I would limp in with an cheap call to see the flop, if I do not have a set on the flop or a flush draw I would fold it, but 5 7 unsuited is a very weak hand to limp in my friend. First hand of the WSOP Main Event: would you do the same if you were in the big blind and holding 5 7 offsuit??
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So is it the fact that it's a cash game that makes it worth takin a chance? Cause I would've folded too. I would've thought playing 57o off position for even free wouldn't be that great an idea?
Would it be a bad call it it was a MTT? Would it win often enough to be worth the call always in this situation?
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in a tourney you need all your chips so its not worth calling but cash games are completely different game. its worth calling in my eyes because 2 people are in the hand which means if you do hit big like he did and the other people have a hand well your going to get into a bit pot with a hand they dont see coming. Its one bb not much with a little chance of getting a big pot, i would maybe fold if they other guy had folded but with him in the pot its worth calling as you already have half the bet in anyway and if you miss easy fold no biggie
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I don't really get why people would actually fold there. Its 1 BB more in a cash game, if you miss to bad, but it didn't cost you anything. 1 BB is easly won back in a cash game imo . And over the long run I don't think anyone will get to crazy with such a hand if they didn't flop a monster so even in the long run I can't really see people lose alot of money in this situation. Yes you're out of position, yes its a bad hand. But come on .50$ for 2.5$ with a good chance it will turn into a big pot when you flop the nuts, like mahdrof did.
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Posted by GIOMi6: First hand of the WSOP Main Event: would you do the same if you were in the big blind and holding 5 7 offsuit??
honestly - 100% of the time - if some idiot min-raises me and I have to call 1 more more bb with a 1 gapper - yippie. Chance of busting some terribly played AA in the WSOP - hell yeah baby
To anyone who thinks this is a fold - you need to go back to the books.
He is only out of position to the raiser - he still has position on sb who also completes.
FWIW: the same hand in sb is a fold (unless you know the players are very weak and likely to stack off on TPTK type hands if you hit big).
Defend your blind when you have a decent hand. 57u is a terrible hand. I might would have defended my bb with 57s depending on the other player. But the odds for hitting a monster hand with 57o ain't very good. If you defent with 57o, you could play every hand. Every hand hits a monster flop from time to time...
. and tbh if you kept reraising him he should have figured his AA was beat because of his min raise. thats my humble opinion.
7 
, of course, bad hand, but imo u can call sometimes. 30% to call 70% fold.
