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  25-May-11, 19:05   #1
JTo on SB with 1 limper 0 
LooseKiddie 

Joined: Apr '11
Location: Poland
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 382
Seat 1: LooseKiddie ($2)
Seat 2: acapulco63 ($0.64)
Seat 3: OdzO14 ($0.80)
Seat 4: dur1Ila ($0.53)
Seat 5: Guzel1974 ($2.19)
Seat 6: Trahtar ($2.09)
Seat 7: Sametk2pake ($2)
Seat 8: rabbitheart3 ($3.25)
Seat 9: fjvidalro ($1.83)
LooseKiddie posts the small blind of $0.01
acapulco63 posts the big blind of $0.02
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to LooseKiddie Jack of diamonds 10 of spades
dur1Ila folds
Guzel1974 folds
Trahtar folds
Sametk2pake folds
rabbitheart3 folds
fjvidalro calls $0.02
LooseKiddie calls $0.01
acapulco63 checks
*** FLOP *** 3 of diamonds 8 of hearts Jack of spades
LooseKiddie bets $0.04 (pot $0.06)
acapulco63 has 15 seconds left to act
acapulco63 calls $0.04
fjvidalro folds
*** TURN *** 3 of diamonds 8 of hearts Jack of spades 10 of clubs
LooseKiddie bets $0.10 (pot $0.14)
acapulco63 has 15 seconds left to act
acapulco63 calls $0.10
*** RIVER *** 3 of diamonds 8 of hearts Jack of spades 10 of clubs Queen of clubs
LooseKiddie bets $0.25 (pot $0.34)
acapulco63 raises to $0.48, and is all in
LooseKiddie calls $0.23

Okey, so I'm not 100% sure, but I think this hand was played quite well. JTo on SB isn't the best hand, but my opponents haven't showed any strength, actually the player on BB was weak, so I've decided to lim in into three way pot. I flopped top pair decent kicker, standard 3 bet and the turn gives me second pair and also could complete draw, of course something like Q9 is in the range check on BB, lol, actually he could have any two.

Would you play it different? I think it's good to analyse your hand thinking "what would I've done if I would see his hand". Actually I would raise against T9o (which he had), but I don't know what was in 2nd opponent's hand, perhaps some low ace so limp isn't that bad with decent drawing hand. But are my bets post flop good? Or have I made some mistake, should I play check/call on the turn, perhaps c/f or c/r? What are your thoughts?

Edited by LooseKiddie (25 May 2011 @ 19:06 GMT)


     
  25-May-11, 19:32   #2
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 54 (M)
Posts: 6691
Fold preflop. JTo isn't a good hand out of position, and we are allways first to act. At the river i would have tried to keep the pot small as there is only one card missing to a straight and we are up against the big blind, who can have anything.

     
  25-May-11, 20:19   #3
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dvirleitner 
Joined: Jul '09
Location: Austria
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 48
Really good hand to analyse... I think you could discuss about it for ages.. Personally, I dont think you did too much wrong here, JTo is really not a big hand but after hitting the jack with only two other players youre supposed to be in the driving seat even though the bb really could hold anything. It was a bit of bad luck him hitting a straight on the river but after the river I wouldnt have bet so much as the straight was invitable, I would probably have checked to see his reaction, would have called a small raise but not more, just my view.. The community cards really made it hard to play this hand...

     
  25-May-11, 23:44   #4
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mahdrof 

Joined: Nov '09
Location: Canada
Age: 50 (M)
Posts: 2386
Ordinarily a short stacker who is calling off a decent part of his stack during a hand will indicate to you that he has something decent or a good draw, but at the micro level anything is possible. Full ring before I stack off I want to have something really strong or have a really good read on my opponent, so I think shokaku is right and it was time to pull back a little on the river. I would, however definitely call my small blind with only one late limper in and two connected cards.

     
  26-May-11, 14:56   #5
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LooseKiddie 

Joined: Apr '11
Location: Poland
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 382
Perhaps shokaku is right, but besieds being oop I don't see here any good reason to fold really. I don't know what the hell could the player on BTN hold, I think there is no hand which could be open limped from BTN and couldn't be raised. Every suited ace, some medium unsuited aces (or even all aces), all broadways, suited connectors, all pairs... it's just easy open raise from BTN, so that's why I've decided to limp in (also I have a couple of starting hands charts to look at when I'm not 100% sure what to do and some of them also are saying, that I should limp that hand). So I'm playing against some weird, weak range and any two, which actually isn't any two, because you could easily exclude good hands, which leaves only a few decent & a lot of weak hands.

I don't want to say that you are wrong, it wouldn't be bad to fold, but I think it's more profitable to limp here. It's possible that I'm wrong, but well... that's why I've posted this hand, because I'm not 100% sure.

And as for the river bet I agree it was the worst part of this hand, c/f would be better. I'll try to improve Smile

     
  26-May-11, 15:36   #6
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tormulainen 

Joined: Dec '07
Location: Finland
Age: 65 (M)
Posts: 329
you played this hand well until the river. in the river when you call his allin you have 99.99% sure the 2nd best hand. who would bluff in nl2 in that situation? = NO ONE. so you should had check/fold or check/call the river.

     
  26-May-11, 16:56   #7
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LooseKiddie 

Joined: Apr '11
Location: Poland
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 382
Posted by tormulainen:
you played this hand well until the river. in the river when you call his allin you have 99.99% sure the 2nd best hand. who would bluff in nl2 in that situation? = NO ONE. so you should had check/fold or check/call the river.


Yeah, I played it pretty bad, but I think you're a little bit wrong about bluff in NL2 in hand like that Tongue Actually there are many players bluffing far too much Smile

     
  26-May-11, 17:26   #8
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 1859
I'm not folding this preflop ever.
Especially at NL2 where you'll get paid off like crazy if you hit,and you get 5 to 1,meaning you need less than 20% equity preflop.
As played,I'd probably size the river bet a little smaller so that you can get away from a hand to a push more easily.
As played it's close,I still might fold it,I dont see why he'd suddenly go crazy with a hand that doesn't have you beat.

     
  26-May-11, 20:17   #9
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awood88 
Joined: Feb '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 1885
Don't be under any illusions that you have to call just cos it's only 1 more bb. You may think you're getting great odds to see a flop but it's not really a situation you make more profit from than you lose. If there's no raise preflop then it's unlikely that more than one of you is gonna hit a good flop so the only way to win big here is a cooler and who knows whether that's gonna come down on your side. You have no read on each other so straight vs two pair is quite likely to go to the end in these situations. So in a cash game where this is absolutely no rush to win a hand you are best off leaving it. The aim in a cash game is not to win as many hands as possible but to maximise profit from profitable hands. Even if you fold the nuts you haven't lost anything as you are just as likely to hit the nuts the next hand.

     
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