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Playing a 6 seat turbo SNG earlier with $2.50 buy in. In late position with nobody else in the pot, raise to 250 (5bb) with QQ. Big blind calls with 35s, hits middle pair and a flush draw and insta-shoves, I call, the Q on the turn gives me trips and him flush, and he takes the hand leaving me with 5$ (!). After the hand is over, somebody says "NH", was it really? I see at as a donk call that hit. He called out of position with a very prospective hand and if he hit total blanks he was putting his tourney in jeopardy by being shortstacked. Am I missing something here?
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I certainly wouldn't have called in his position but definitely agree with Shokaku that better calling there with what he had than something like KJ. A lot of times people throw out the old NH whenever a nice hand comes out. I don't think it means they played it well just that they ended up with something nice. I would say NH if someone allined 72o preflop and hit four of a kind.
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turbos are like lotteries sometimes, but definitely not the hand to play in normal game. and regarding 'nh' in chat, some people have compulsion of using it every hand and some ppl like me feel the need to encourage the donks and rub salts on wounds
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It is a good hand for sng . But in low buy in tournies there are the donks that call with any suited cards and even mostly if they are connected. I tend to find lately that this becoming like a trend calling with hands like that
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Pre-flop, its a bad call (but that is depending), post flop unless you made 2 pair or better you are flipping to his draw, he has no real room to place a bet so only option is AI in hope you fold or he hits. Is it a NH? pre not for me, post its what you have to do. If you won i'm sure that player still would have said NH.
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no,not a NH.if it was the top flush ace high,sure,if the board paired up and you hit your boat the i would have said NH.you win overall.definately not a NH.lucky thats all.
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I dont call with such hands (53 suited) if someone raising preflop especially when the raise is 5 blinds. And some times depending on my stack and the blinds i dont even call the bb. If you are low stack and the blinds get you then having suited and connected its not a bad idea to call or go all in
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he was playing small ball poker, what can you do he made his hand his play was a bit unorthadox but it worked for him, cant complain, unless im in your shoes
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Posted by Jibberish: he was playing small ball poker, what can you do he made his hand his play was a bit unorthadox but it worked for him, cant complain, unless im in your shoes
He is not getting any where near the implied odds for his call "to work for him". Obviously it did once. But over all - with a very small suited connector - you need around 10:1 implied at LEAST.
His play wasn't "unorthodox" it was super-stand rubbish donkey play. I fucking love playing speculative hands - in fact, I get called a donk all the time. But I *DON'T* ignore the implied odds required to make the calls profitable, nor do I ignore position.
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He risked a lot. He made a call with nothing and, preflop, he became with the same chip amount you had. Watching a flush draw on the flop should have scared him instead of giving him strenght, but looks like that, for your oponent, it was a very good game. I bet he had no idea were you were at that moment, that's why he decided to go all-in. Seeing so low cards at the table made you want to go, and well, till the end, but unfortunately, he got what he needed. Either he is bad player or he was tired and wanted to see if everything was continuing to go wrong as before in his game, that's for sure. Don't mind about this fouls, mahdrof, you will recover this $2,5 fast!!!
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These kind of players make me mad. I really dont understand that why he calls with 35suited cause he is playing with real money. Why make an -EV call and lose money in the long run
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Posted by tormulainen: These kind of players make me mad. I really dont understand that why he calls with 35suited cause he is playing with real money. Why make an -EV call and lose money in the long run
I really like players who call off 1/4 of their stack oop with 5 high.
Nothing nice about this hand, especially with your 5x raise. It should've been enough to make him fold, but hes a donk so you can't do much about it. Most of the time you would've made him fold after the flop and won an easy 250! But I guess he put you on 2 overcards so he tought he was live, or that's probably what he thinks to justify his poor pre flop play
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Posted by vip7vip7vip: What do you expect? Pacific Poker + turbo tourney + low buy-in = donk play.
The donk play doesn't surprise me, just that somebody would write NH. I thought maybe I was missing something. Don't get me wrong, I love to be in position and call with suited connectors and one-gappers in cash play when the pot is raised and there is at least one other caller, but this situation was very different. He called out of position and risked becoming shortstack for very prospective cards.
As usual, thanks for all your responses guys n gals, threads like these are my favourites in the forum.
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yea donk call for a 1/4 of his stack pre no point and stupid he got lucky thats it. as noob says some people in the low levels really just cant stop themselfs from saying nh every hand when its just not a nice hand at all, most times its disgusting call pre and lucky jammy bastard hand on the flop
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Posted by LooseKiddie: @all - 'nice hand' deosen't mean it was well played.
THIS I want to know! I think for most of us "nh" means you played a hand well, at least it does for me. Maybe lately it just means "an interesting hand" for a lot of players?
