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haha actually thats what i thought i was gonna read lol that some1 raised like $500 and he didnt want to risk it on a coin toss lol but still i didnt expect it do say that he did it by accident lol it does sucks tho
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hmm i actually have folded AA pre-flop... ON PURPOSE....9 handed cash game 5-10 no limit, back in my hay day, 4 people went all in, and if i were to call, it would be for my bankroll, i figured i woud get out drawn, and if i did play the hand, i would have lost to 6 6 , hit quad sixes, i guess you could call it a stupid good play lol
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It all depends on peoples perspective. If Phil ivey did it, it would the greatest move in poker history. If we did it, then.....well you know the rest.
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I believe the "west" nowadays starts at a young age! It probably ends when we eliminate the western mentality from our perspectives, deeds and ways.
------------ But getting back on track and topic, I have many times folded KK QQ JJ in tournaments, especially when many people are involved. But of course I must admit that in those cases it was very difficult to lay them down, but survival was a priority at the moment.
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going back to tonysmokes fold of AA preflop i mean that is a good play even if you would of won with it.. and by that i mean obviously at that point in time you have the best hand, but if theres 4 other ppl playin and are all, all in, and its for your entire bankroll that is going to be hard to call..
any card can give them a set if they pairs, if they have lower pair can hit a straight, (odds of you hitting the straight are possible but brings possibility to quad ks, qs, etc.) so there almsot is to much up to chance
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I gonna disagree. Yes, it's true, the more players opposing you does lessen your chances but you still have the best starting hand. After that you have to start thinking what hands would make someone go all in other than AA. In the normal run of things you would have to think KK QQ AK AQ then maybe JJ 1010. Then your always going to get the idiot that calls low to mid pair. Up against another high pair or AK/Q off, the odds are in your favour. Against AK/Q suited then your margin is squeezed but your still ahead. The same could be said for suited connectors. But for anything else then you are further ahead. To fold AA was a too conservative move. It is a bad move. Poker is a game chance where you can give yourself an edge. Sometimes you have to take a chance and gamble when that edge is in your favour. If you don't then you will never make any great ammounts of money. Okay, so your AA would've got busted on this occasion. AA is'nt a gimmie and is beatable . We've all had them busted. But in the long run you will come out on top. But you won't if you fold them. Ask yourself this, if you knew he was holding 66, would you have folded ? The answer is a resounding NO. But you still would've lost.
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rushinrogan you are completle correct.. but like i said with that many people all in and for all my bankroll i can see why he folded, theres no right and wrong play i mean yea if he played it he woulda lost so i guess he played it right. BUT still if i was in that situation i most likely would of played it and been pissed off (all relavent to how much my whole bankroll is)
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my computor is in my kitchen, so i often make a cuppa while playing and the beeps let me know its my go, well i heard the beeps got there too late to find i had pocket queens the flop hit 10 jack king, so i wasnt to botherd till the turn hit a queen and the the river a jack was gutted but tihs happens oh well
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XXX, i know what you are saying and i can understand that point of view. But i been thinking. The only way he would fold AA was if he had his entire bankroll, or at least a large portion of it,at that table. If this is the case, then he is playing above his level. He should playing a level where to lose a buy- in is not going to be disastrous or inflict too much damage on his bankroll. If that were the case, then there was no way he'd fold.
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Posted by Rushinrogan: If this is the case, then he is playing above his level.
Thats is a very accurate observation Rush. I think people should start paying attention to this, and put it into practice. Good bankroll management is of the most high importance when talking and analysing sucessfull poker. Very well done.
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oh rush you are completely 100% correct and that is exactly how i play i only bring in an amount i believe im going to loose so (if) i lose it it wont bother me... and i think that everyone should play that way.. it would minimize tilts and keep more in your bankroll.... MIND you since this is how i play and i play with (a over low limit) my all ins arent as great as if i had more money in... obviously but im not in it for money jus to play for fun, once i double up i usually stop playing
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That is the result of the greatest story they (pokerrooms) sold you.
MULTITABLING. Sometimes i even think im playing with bots and it turns out they are real players. This is fodled AA is example that is so obvious only blind people wont see it. I know that it can get dull playing only one table but try it from time to time. AND FODZ YOU ASKED FOR IT, HIHIHI (dont want to put smiley it is already heavy thread)
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Had Ak suit was going to raise to 6,50$ but i was playing some tournaments at the same time and when raising on the tournament tables i usaly raised 650..well that waht happend on the cash table typed 650 when i was going to bet 6,50 witch put me all in with 575$ he had KK and Won DOH.... but what can u say s**t happens! and sometimes s**t happens to you
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Ill be honest, I have folded AA preflop quite a few times. If I am in A high paying tournament and in the early stages , I refuse to put all in anymore. I have been knocked out so many times when I first started playing it isnt funny. Now if I can see the flop its another story.
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i just played in a freeroll on ultimatebet, which has got to be the slowest site in the world. well i had ace ace in my hand and was going to raise the thing is i didnt relise that i had clicked on sit out so they got mucked. i was gutted, but in the ebd a straight won the hand so it worked out ok
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yea ive had that happend to me, when im playing at full tilt and i have to go do something and it cant wait any longer, or i have to goto the washroom and i hit sit out... and come back and look at the last hand and see that i had KK lol i think its ftps way of sayin dont ever leave our tables lol