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The system they have in Everest Poker for kicking out inactive players form tournaments must be the worst there is. They are not kicking out only the inactive players from the beginning but also if mid tourney you get disconnected for example fos some time you get kicked too. I was playing in a tourney lost connection for like 25 mins got back and i was out. And i wasnt out cause the blinds got me.Had plenty of chips. Simply stupid.
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This system is only for Freerolls. But a disconnecton protection was better for diconnected players. But a lot of players are not at the tables when the Freerolls starts.
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I have to agree thats wrong what happens to your chips, like are they taken or shared (no have to be taken) whats wrong with simply timming out sit outs like other sites do. I sometimes sit out on purpose close to bubble just to make sure I make pay out.
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But at Everest you can logged into the tourney a few days before the tourney started. At other rooms you can it only 1-2 houres before. The result is the same.
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ive played at everest a few times months ago and always thought it was fair,but that was in freerolls and i thought it was only players that never played a hand,if your stacked and disconnect then i think its out of order....bad luck Mober..i got rid of their site for a reason but dont want to bad mouth them....
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I'm pretty sure it is policy for freerolls only. And in fact, on a lot of other sites I see people BEGGING the site to put in a similar policy.. Seems you can't win with the freerollers IMO.
TBH - who fucking cares - it is a FREE roll.. Be grateful and leave it at that.
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just thought I would mention, on the P.K.R forums EVERY day there is a new thread started by some retard complaining about "cheats" who apparently "cheat" by "sitting-out". These threads are always along the lines of "KICK THE SIT-OUT players out". Followed by about a million posts telling OP they're an idiot. Of course, these threads are ALWAYS about freerolls.
Seems to me, freeloaders are just never satisfied. Personally, I prefer the Everest Stance, clear out the inactive players, if a few disconnected players lose-out, well so be it, suck it up and its not everests fault you disconnected.
and remember, if you buying to your game, you will NEVER be removed for inactivity. This is FREEROLL-ONLY policy.
Edited by jessthehuman (02 August 2011 @ 02:58 GMT)
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This is only true for freerolls. And with the extremely slow game play at Everest this is a good idea. No point in letting players, who don't even bother to turn up, sneak into the money.
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Posted by Mober: The system they have in Everest Poker for kicking out inactive players form tournaments must be the worst there is. They are not kicking out only the inactive players from the beginning but also if mid tourney you get disconnected for example fos some time you get kicked too. I was playing in a tourney lost connection for like 25 mins got back and i was out. And i wasnt out cause the blinds got me.Had plenty of chips. Simply stupid.
That is, by far, the stupidest policy I've ever heard. Back in the good old Full Tilt days, i was a forum reg and a common complaint was people sitting out in tournies. I don't know why anyone would complain, who WOULDN'T want free dead money to take?
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kinda annoying when you have a nice stack and get kicked out due to disconnection but as its only in freerolls nothing to lose. just be thankful for the freerolls
Yeah I agree It's also frustrating for people who play when half of their table is sitting out. Gets boring and changes the dynamic.
So yeah the policy is bad when you disconect (but what took you so long to come back?...), but otherwise it's a good idea that they should use on mansion poker
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Used to piss me off as well when I used to play there. BUT... Thinking about it afterwards, it´s not all that bad. I´ve sat on tables on Bwin with 8 players not showing up. Both of us were just sharing the blinds for 45min+ Maybe that´s not so fair either? (and boring)
Probably better to have people sign up a few hours before only.And anyway...it´s a freeroll like most are saying. FREE-roll...
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I was play in everest poker but I quit because they change every day the policies. They have a structure that block the new and good players to enter in it. Well, I am glad to be out of there because my money is not just paper.
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if this only applies to Freerolls i wish more sites did this far to many times i have sat at a table full of inactive players it gets very very very boring when you have to wait a min of 16-30 seconds for each person to act.every hand only to watch the timer click down to nothing
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Posted by ProdigyD: if this only applies to Freerolls i wish more sites did this far to many times i have sat at a table full of inactive players it gets very very very boring when you have to wait a min of 16-30 seconds for each person to act.every hand only to watch the timer click down to nothing
this happens only during the first hand the player sitout, then his card are instafolded....at least on the dozen of pokerrooms I've played
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Yes it was in fact a freeroll a qualifying one. The thing is i didnt complain of not getting there in time and get kicked out. I havent any problems being kicked out if im not there in time. I was there when the tournament started and i was playing till i lost the connection. I never said anything about the sit outs from the beginning. I dont like that either. Some sites kick them for example when the blinds go up (second blind) and you havent connected or after some specific amount of time. But the retarded thing as you say is to be active lose the connection and get kicked out. Thats the retarded. How would you feel playing for couple of hours being close to get a ticket and this happens jess? But i guess you are a big money player and you havent ever played any qualifying freerolls. And im pretty sure that if someone begging so that the players losing their connection mid game getting kicked out they are nothing but Morons, with capital M !!! And like magat said there is a delay only in the first hand with sit outs, then all the hands are automatically folded. And in Cake when a tourney starts you need to click the Im back button otherwise you are not even in, in the first hand
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Yes, but the thing is the whole mentality of "oh well, it's just a free-roll" is b******t. I mean realistically, it didn't cost you anything to play but the reality is, if you ran deep and got punted, that's unfair. You spent your time to earn those chips, you have just as much right to keep playing as anyone else left.
Whether you want to sit out for a few hands because nature/nagging wife/kids call, or because your internet goes down, the fact remains that's no reason to punt you from the game.
I can see possibly punishing habitual abusers of the system, but come on a simple "no arguments, you're gone" policy is absurd. I personally would NEVER play on a site that has a policy like that.
Again, there's absolutely NO reason to ever want to dis-allow "sit outters" from playing. Why the hell wouldn't you want extra dead money in the pot?
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Posted by Mober: How would you feel playing for couple of hours being close to get a ticket and this happens jess?
Sorry, I re-read my post and I was a bit harsh and I do apologise. I certainly understand your frustration and the point you are making, as you say - I would be pretty upset if I got disconnected and booted from a game (any game, even a freeroll) 2 hours into the play.
However - I do think the policy is reasonable, as I wasn't joking when I say P.K.R forums get overwhelmed by threads created by freerollers complaining about people who sit-out. And it's not just complaining about those who sit-out from the start, but also those that play for an hour and then sit out.
In the end - I don't think a site will ever please everyone with their freeroll policy - which is why in the end I just say - be grateful you got the chance, UL what happened - but don't be upset at the site at it. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place and in the end they're giving YOU a chance to win FREE money.
And as always, once you've played poker for a while - maybe it is time to step-up and make a deposit and stop playing off the backs of others who are already doing this. And if you buyin to a game you won't get a game filled with sit-out players and you also won't get booted if you get disconnected.
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Posted by retribution:
Again, there's absolutely NO reason to ever want to dis-allow "sit outters" from playing. Why the hell wouldn't you want extra dead money in the pot?
Agreed. And yet - there are many many people who disagree. And these are the people this policy is trying to please.
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by Mober: How would you feel playing for couple of hours being close to get a ticket and this happens jess?
Sorry, I re-read my post and I was a bit harsh and I do apologise. I certainly understand your frustration and the point you are making, as you say - I would be pretty upset if I got disconnected and booted from a game (any game, even a freeroll) 2 hours into the play.
However - I do think the policy is reasonable, as I wasn't joking when I say P.K.R forums get overwhelmed by threads created by freerollers complaining about people who sit-out. And it's not just complaining about those who sit-out from the start, but also those that play for an hour and then sit out.
In the end - I don't think a site will ever please everyone with their freeroll policy - which is why in the end I just say - be grateful you got the chance, UL what happened - but don't be upset at the site at it. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place and in the end they're giving YOU a chance to win FREE money.
And as always, once you've played poker for a while - maybe it is time to step-up and make a deposit and stop playing off the backs of others who are already doing this. And if you buyin to a game you won't get a game filled with sit-out players and you also won't get booted if you get disconnected.
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Posted by retribution:
Again, there's absolutely NO reason to ever want to dis-allow "sit outters" from playing. Why the hell wouldn't you want extra dead money in the pot?
Agreed. And yet - there are many many people who disagree. And these are the people this policy is trying to please.
What about the people this negatively affect? The entire point I'm trying to make is, there's a lot more negatives to this policy than positives.
If I played for 2 hours, got close to a cash and then got disconnected, I'd be absolutely fucking livid. As for the people that play for awhile and then sit out, so what? They played and EARNED that right.
Consider this scenario. A lot of sattelites have a flat xxx people get a seat, no other prizes. So play litterally ends once there are only xxx players left. Say you're the biggest stack in the tourney with 50 people left until the prizes are reached and the tourney ends. You know 100% for a fact that you don't have to play another hand and you will win a seat.
The smart thing is to fold every hand until play ends. After all, why would you bother risking your chips and equity when you can fold into a sure thing. Now consider this. What difference does it make if he's sitting there and clicking fold every hand, or if he just elects to sit out and go have a "celebration bone" with his wife or play with his kids or something?
Does it seem fair in ANY way shape or form to keep him glued to the keyboard when, through his own dilligence and good play he earned the right to coast into the money?
In my opinion, the people sitting there whining about people "sitting out" are morons and have no concept of how to play poker. If they had any clue, they'd be actively attacking these "sit outters" and stealing their blinds, praising the gods they have an easy way to get free chips.
There's no logical reason why a site would ever implement a policy that absurd.
Edited by retribution (04 August 2011 @ 02:22 GMT)
