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KQ on the bubble in button..  0   
Should I have folded to villains bet on the flop, I'm not sure I would ever be able to do so in this sitution but am interested in other views.

This is a Bodog SNG where 5 places are paid ($6,5,4,3,2)

Bodog - $2.00+$0.20|<> NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: 1,382.50
CO: 760.00
Hero (BTN): 2,640.00
SB: 2,211.25
BB: 6,810.00
UTG: 1,196.25

SB posts SB 75.00, BB posts BB 150.00

Pre Flop: (225.00) Hero has Q Spade: K Heart:

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 450.00, fold, BB calls 300.00

Flop: (975.00, 2 players) T Diamond: K Club: 2 Spade:
BB bets 975.00, Hero raises to 2,190.00 and is all-in, BB calls 1,215.00

Turn: (5355.00, 2 players) 6 Heart:

River: (5355.00, 2 players) 4 Heart:

Hero shows Q Spade: K Heart: (One Pair, Kings) (PreFlop 25%, Flop 14%, Turn 7%)
BB shows K Spade: A Club: (One Pair, Kings) (PreFlop 75%, Flop 86%, Turn 93%)
BB wins 5,355.00

Edited by jbrooksie (02 August 2011 @ 08:49 GMT)


     
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as you were 2nd in chips and cut off only had 5 bb. I would only go all in if i had 1st or 2nd set. otherwise you could of waited for a better spot to get them in

     
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Ahhh, the AK vs KQ, K on the flop trap.
Been busted with that many a time. Big Smile
It´s almost like getting a Full House and being beaten by a better Full.

Once you go into the hand, you´re lost. But you were already in trying to take the blinds.
Like you said, best thing would have been to fold to the Big stack raise.

Easier said than done with that hand.
The smart play is concentrate on busting the small stack. No risks in Sng on the Bubble when you are 2nd and there is a small stack.
But I can´t say I would have done that either.(depends on his play at the table up untill then, of course.)

     
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I wouldn't fold there and it was pretty poor play anyway by the big blind - the obvious/correct play from here is to shove AK putting you in an awkward spot where you pretty much have to fold a vast majority of your button-raising range, giving villain massive fold equity plus good equity if you call.

Instead he flats your raise and catches a lucky flop (where you both hit). I think once you see this flop and hit top pair + 2nd kicked you pretty well have to make the move you did, you really don't expect AK here since you would expect a shove. Some could argue villain played well then to trap with AK - but that's a retrospective observation that only hold because the flop had an A or K.

If no A or K on flop villain is in a s**t spot OOP when facing your C-Bet.

I think you played it fine and got unlucky and villains "trap" with AK wasn't terrible, but I don't think optimal either and he got very lucky. I think it's much better long-term +EV for villain to shove here - gains fold equity, plus gets to see all 5 cards if you call and he is rarely worse than flipping and often dominating.

     
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Posted by jessthehuman:
I wouldn't fold there and it was pretty poor play anyway by the big blind - the obvious/correct play from here is to shove AK putting you in an awkward spot where you pretty much have to fold a vast majority of your button-raising range, giving villain massive fold equity plus good equity if you call.



From the Vilains point of view, yep, he played it badly and should have shoved. Blink

     
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What to say? unlucky that BB slow played his AK. The real question is if you would have folded if vilain had re-raised you pre-flop. post-flop there was nothing u could do coz u didn't put him in a better hand when he made his bet. overall unlucky m8. better luck next time
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Posted by lukasb:
What to say? unlucky that BB slow played his AK. The real question is if you would have folded if vilain had re-raised you pre-flop. post-flop there was nothing u could do coz u didn't put him in a better hand when he made his bet. overall unlucky m8. better luck next time
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It would definitely be correct to lay down KQ on the bubble if villain had shove pre - which is WHY that would have been such a better move from the villain.

     
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On the turn I would check and then if the other bet I would raise.
But the circunstances are not quite good for this strategy because of strong cards.
Everyone has a way to do the perfect bluff but in the end luck helps. Spade Club Heart Diamond

     
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Postflop this was just a colddeck.

     
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Cant fold there,he can easily play any worse K,QJ and maybe even a 10 the same way.
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You had till then, second place with 5 places getting paid and 6 players in the game.
Why playing agro with the leader who has about 3 times your stack and risking bubbling?
Seeing the other players stack i think you could be easily be in the money and then be more aggresive.

     
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yea i dont think im ever folding there as ATM says he could be doing the same with almost anything as the blinds do crazy things to people Big Smile

     
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Yeah that's definetly not lucky!

Even if you limp there, wich would be a weird play, you still would've lost your stack. If you raised to about 525-600 to make it look like a steal pre flop then maybe he would've went all in pre flop there and you could've folded. But still I think you played it the right way, just plain bad luck!

     
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I wouldn't play your place K Q in general because to prizes 1 person remained. Behind a table of 3 short stacks therefore simply would overstay them. With chipleader to communicate at all the variant. It will often accept you with any hand yours steal.

     
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very difficult to fold this post flop as its hard to put BB on AK, he has got decent stack to play other hands like this. though like others said might have been easier to fold to preflop reraise.

     
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ICM wise, I think it's a fold pre. You want to be actively avoiding the big stack and leaning on the medium stacks on the bubble. The biggest factor is, even if you double up through the big stack, you're still on the bubble. The chips you risk in this spot are worth far more than the chips you stand to gain.

Also, when blinds are this high, I'd recommend lowering open raises to a maximum of 2.5bb. You'll get just as many folds as if you raised the standard 3x and you'll save some chips.

This stage of the SNG, it's all about fold equity and applying pressure to the medium stacks who are trying to survive the bubble. Mixing it up with the chip lead is about the worst thing you can do. Especially with a stack as small as CO with only 5.5BB left. I bet you CO was sitting there laughing his ass off when you bubbled, no offense.

As played, I think post flop it's unlucky that villain slow played his AK like he did. Depending on his stats, I may be able to find a fold when he opens on the flop like he did.

     
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It's hard to play when ppl don't follow the book Blink

I guess u played to win not to be itm and for that I salut u Worship

     
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First very bad played from chipleader, how shockin ugly bad, no words...

Your play was ok, but knowing the payout structure (some kind of DoN) folding you KQo preflop isn't that bad either. Disagree

     
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Depends heavily on the villain Smile. It seems he is super retarded and slowplays AK, then he donks pot sized with TPTK
Anyway your play is super bad. I would instantly fold on the flop unless I have top 2 pairs instead of messing with the chipleader when the bubble boy has only 5 bb left.

     
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