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Well, since Full Tilt "temporarily" is down and sorting out it's issues, I've taken to playing on other sites, particularly Party Poker.
I've been doing something I've never before attempted, and that's grinding out cash games. I had taken shots previously, but felt like my style wasn't suited for it and found I had much better results grinding out SNGS.
After about 5k hands (which I realise isn't that large a sample) I've found I'm actually beating $2nl for a health 19BB/100. While I feel I'm not completely solid, and attribute alot of my sucess thus far to the overall donkiness of the average players, I'm left wondering if full ring might be suitable for me afterall.
The one thing I'm curious about is the rather stark downward trend my non-showdown graph is taking. I've read "redline" posts and found that there's really no way of having a positive redline, however I'm concerned with how steep it is and feel it's an indication I've got a lot of leaks. I habitually use HEM leak buster to study the advice it gives, but I'd like to hear some opinions on my graph in general.
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Man, I realize that is a regular up trend. In all circustances to keep on this way. The line is solid and notice a small slip flow in the middle. That shows your reason. But, in all means is not the process it is the emotional to feel the good plays.
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That's wot a graph looks like playing just TAG, it works from micro till something like NL100 on some sites till NL200. Notice that 5K hands isn't even a sample size onn cash games, some grinders do that in just 1 day.
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I see you play the same buy-ins i do, its nice to see someone of my "level" (you must be better player but prefering to continue play on low buy-ins) with good results. This must be the typical graph of someone who likes to play, enjoys the game, and plays not for the quick money available to withdraw, but for the fun and long term profits. Its somehow like a long term deposit at a bank, but funnier! Keep up the good work retribution, and dont forget to keep telling us about your evolution, hope everything runs well!
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Posted by Fakiry: I see you play the same buy-ins i do, its nice to see someone of my "level" (you must be better player but prefering to continue play on low buy-ins) with good results. This must be the typical graph of someone who likes to play, enjoys the game, and plays not for the quick money available to withdraw, but for the fun and long term profits. Its somehow like a long term deposit at a bank, but funnier! Keep up the good work retribution, and dont forget to keep telling us about your evolution, hope everything runs well!
Well actually, I'm playing to rebuild my roll. I had a lot of money on Full Tilt and was doing really great there, however as we all know, Full Tilt is currently down with their future unknown.
I had to figure out what I wanted to do when Full Tilt shut down. Did I want to wait, or keep playing somewhere til things got sorted out.
I decided I didn't want to make another deposit, so I was going to grind out a few freerolls, but was really not a big fan of trudging through that donk-fest, so I decided to take the no deposit bankrolls here.
As per my other thread, did well with the PKR no deposit bonus (withdrew the money I won there)
On party poker, I played out the first $5 of my roll trying the sngs, found them frustrating and so focused on cash games. I can usually put in more volume than the 5k hand sample I posted, but it's summer time so I've had a limited amount of free time. My focus for August is to get in at least 10k hands. I'll post my graph when I hit the 10k mark and update my progress. Doubled my roll in july so I'm sitting on $50 right now, my goal being to take shots at $4nl once I hit the $80 mark. I'd like to be permanently at $4nl by end of august and hopefully at least at $10nl or $25nl by end of sept.
I figure if I can hit $100nl, I can make a pretty decent hourly grinding out 4-6 tables.
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Posted by Gottfriedx: Really? 5000 hands is not that much? :O I find that a lot!
I'll assume you're being facetious but elaborate anyways
While to the casual player it may seem like a lot, it really isn't a solid sample size . To be able to "ensure statistical accuracy" you tend to have to have a rather large sample size for any format, be it MTT, SNG, FR etc. The reason being that poker has a lot of variance, ie: hands where you got it in behind but sucked out, thus a larger sample size balances things out and gives you a clear picture of where your stats are.
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I hate to double post, so please merge if need be.
Hit my 10 thousand hand mark tonight after playing a monster 4 hour 844 hand session. I played absolutely horribly tonight, likely due to the fact that I had a pretty big fight with my girlfriend tonight.
Word to the wise, after fighting with your gf, go for a drive, watch a movie, read a book. Do ANYTHING but play poker for the love of god.
Only finished the session down around 28 BB thanks in part to 2 big hands.
Anyways, here's the new graph.
Now officially sitting on 13.52 BB / 100. Seems like I was on a heater before and my stats are starting to level out.
Edited by retribution (17 August 2011 @ 07:20 GMT)
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Looking good, but as you mentioned in your OG post, non-showdown is actually starting to hurt your profit, TBH most people do have negative non-showdown and if you are, as you are, making profit its not so much of a problem, RB will counter balance it a bit along with bonuses, but add a downswing and it will crush you. I can see you are a fairly solid player, not getting out of line, and playing in "bot mode", this is what is IMO your main problem, I guess you are playing 4-6 tables, if you want that red line to go up you will have to cut back and play a stronger game rather than a somewhat passive game. Now if you don't feel that is the problem, then there are other obvious possible reasons, (one of my old leaks) playing draws like a nit, caling/checking down to fold when missing, should be raising to gain fold equity, another conmen one, expesily when multi-tabling is not playing position, or worse out of position, I wont bore with the detail why as I guess you know, but just review your game see if you are playing a weak position game, or regally playing out of position. GL hope it helps a little.
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Posted by Gottfriedx: Really? 5000 hands is not that much? :O I find that a lot!
5k hands its nothing. I play around 2500 hands per day mixing between nl2 and nl5 on stars. If you play 1k hands per day in one month than yes its will be easier to take a look if your solid or not.
$0.01/$0.02 NLH 24,750 $18 1.79 $43 $14 Aug 16th, 2011 $0.02/$0.05 NLH 10,878 $-2 -0.16 $ 34 $11 Aug 16th, 2011 $0.05/$0.1 NLH SH 1,913 $37 9.77 $16 $5 Aug 13th, 2011
These are my stats acording to PTR but they are around 2k hands inacurate.
