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Tournament 1$ turbo SNG ( 6 min blinds) -- Table 1 -- $0/$50/$100 NL Hold'em --
Seat 2: LP ($1,175 in chips)
Seat 3: Dealer ($1,110 in chips) DEALER
Seat 4: Villain (S.B.) ($1,230 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero (B.B.) ($3,575 in chips)
Seat 6: UTG ($5,170 in chips)
Seat 8: UTG + 1 ($600 in chips)
Seat 9: MP ($2,140 in chips)
Villain: posts small blind 50
Hero: posts big blind 100
Dealt to Hero [Qh,Ad]
UTG: folds
UTG + 1: folds
MP: folds
LP: folds
Dealer: folds
Villain: is all in 1180.0000
Hero: folds
Villain: returns uncalled bet 1,130
***SHOW DOWN***
Villain: mucks
Villain: wins 200

Villain before this hand - tight passive
all he did was fold/ check-fold/ limp-fold/ limp -call -fold
no preflop raise/ allin before this hand.
none of his hand went to showdown.
sharkscope - after around 500 games ( average stake 2$ ) - loss of around 50$

Is it worth calling his allin here?

Edited by SuperNoob (08 August 2011 @ 14:58 GMT)


     
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imo no because if he was tight passive all through the game and then all of a sudden he puts his whole game at risk to steal the big blind,probably looking at AA here or maybe KK,good fold i'd say

     
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COnsidering you had a bit of history on him and considering he is a tight passive player i think he had QQ or better in this spot if he choosed to go all in Blink

So yes, i think folding was the right call, i mean you risked to lose half of your chips, if he were a maniac it was a quick call even if it's a not suited hand...

On what poker platform did you played this hand/sng?

     
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i dont mind the fold but i dont mind the call either, he is on the shortish side and may start to go for the steal as the blinds are getting bigger and he only has 11, having Qs or better is giving him a bit much credit imo. If it was me i would of prob called as you still have over 2k if it gos wrong and good chance hes doing that with weaker A and just wants to take it down pre

     
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With what you say you would face high PPs or AK, AQ, with your stack you can flip with him if you like, but whats the point when you can take his blinds and out play him on the flops.

     
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id say it wouldve probably been a flip, u couldve called or folded, doesnt really matter, if your a better player you want to play poker instead of flippin too

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didnt even realize someone just said that lmao, i think i need a new computer, its slow as f**k

     
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I'm not folding,and its not the bottom of my range either.
Eventhough he's been tight till that point,this is a very good shoving spot.
If he has any idea about shoving ranges he's shoving any A,any suited K,any pair and any broadway combos here. You're crushing his range.
My shoving range,if I was him,would probably be Ax,K9o+,K5s+,Q8s+,QT+,J9s+,JTo,T9s and any pair. Against this range you're miles ahead.

I will simulate this with SNGWizard when I finished my session in a few hours (cant use it while running a game because of their T&C) but I'm pretty sure it will give a similar shoving range and it will def. say its a call in your case.

     
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Taking in consideration the amount of chips you had (being 2nd in the table) and keeping that position either winning or loosing after the call, one can quickly say you did bad in not calling. But analysing is type of game, being tight passive all the way, is right to say that he wanted chips with this move. In my opinion, he must have had a middle/nice pair in the hand. If you had called, you probably would be playing for six outs, any A or Q, plus the possibility of geting a straight. Your odds were high at pre-flop, but your fold is acceptable with the justification of not wanting to give chips to someone with that strategy. If he won he would pass to 3rd place being stronger.

     
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i folded the hand because of the similar reasons ppl mentioned above.

but the reason i posted this hand was what happened after this.

after 2-3 hands blinds increased and it turned into a shovefest with shortstacks taking turns going allin preflop. we hardly saw 3-4 flops after that.

and as for villain all he did was fold or go allin at my blind and all that time i had junk like j2, 74, 62 so i had to fold.
only 1 hand he played when not in sb - which he min raised preflop, went allin at flop and won with pocket jj
so i was wondering maybe i shud hav risked my 1/3rd stack when i had around 40% chances of winning rather than him shoving almost every round at my BB.

i lost half my stack AK vs A7 and then 2 hands later got busted in 5th with opponent hitting runner runner straight.

@ macubaas - it was at cake poker network

     
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Posted by SuperNoob:
when i had around 40% chances of winning rather than him shoving almost every round at my BB.


You have definitely more than 40%,as I mentioned,you even crush a tight-passive range.
I'd say even a tight passive player who has no clue about shove/fold game will have this range:
66+;AT+;KQ+
That while I also dont think a microstakes player would straight-shove AA and KK here,they will try a tricky play and play those hands different most of the time.
This is pretty much the tightest range I'd ever give anyone here. Even a nit who's running with 5/3 stats or something will shove that wide in this spot.

     
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According the the Nash ICM calculator your calling range to a push from the SB here is 23.4% (44+ A2s+ A4o+ K8s+ KTo+ QTs+ QJo).

     
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Posted by SuperNoob:
i folded the hand because of the similar reasons ppl mentioned above.

but the reason i posted this hand was what happened after this.

after 2-3 hands blinds increased and it turned into a shovefest with shortstacks taking turns going allin preflop. we hardly saw 3-4 flops after that.

and as for villain all he did was fold or go allin at my blind and all that time i had junk like j2, 74, 62 so i had to fold.
only 1 hand he played when not in sb - which he min raised preflop, went allin at flop and won with pocket jj
so i was wondering maybe i shud hav risked my 1/3rd stack when i had around 40% chances of winning rather than him shoving almost every round at my BB.

i lost half my stack AK vs A7 and then 2 hands later got busted in 5th with opponent hitting runner runner straight.

@ macubaas - it was at cake poker network


Don't focus on the results of the hand ie: losing ak vs a7, focus on whether you made a good call or not. SNGS are very very much formula based, late game. Have a good understanding of ICM is key to being sucessful in sit n gos.

In the hand you posted, I think it's an easy call, pretty much for the reasons everyone else has posted.

He's short, even if he's super nitty, you're still ahead of a lot of what he can be shoving here. I'm pretty solid with SNG wiz and I can say that it'd be suggesting he shove with basically Ax, Kx, Qx J5+ and 55+ at the very least. Now since he's nitty, you can tighten that range up, but with AQ you're still ahead of a lot. Even against QQ/KK you're not dominated by much.

Even if you lose the hand, you're still in solid shape. The one thing you should be constantly evaluating when playing SNGS is "is the risk worth the gain".

Each player that gets eliminated increases the $ev of the remaining players.

     
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Good fold theoretically, but you could've easily been in a race situation and your stack could take it. In a 1$ game, that guy could've also shoved with A-9, A-10, A-J suited, who knows. Maybe even hands like KQ, QJ, KJ suited.. But still I'm pretty sure I would've called knowing that I could be dominated because doing that with AA, KK or QQ is a very bad play in my opinion. The only hand I would really be scared of in that situation is AK.

     
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yea i would agree with ATM here as i said to his shoving range with about 11/12 bb is almost any 2. Also as ATM says when people have monsters they tend not to shove it all because if your short you really want the call not to scare them away for to take the blinds thats why i would of called. There is something to be said about not risking chips in sng but on the blinds i would call there most times and fold very little in the same spot

     
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kinf og tricky. Can understand both sides and don´t think that any of this reactions is wrong, as it has reason to do it like that. And than i guess its saver to fold...

     
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