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Villain was 33/7 af of 1.5. This hand happened. I'll post results after, but I'd really like to see what people thought of how I played the hand, and what they think he had.
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I dont think he has a flush. If he had a weak flush he would reraise the turn. If he had the nut flush he would call the turn and reraise the river. You had to reraise the flop or beter raise first. If he reraises he prob have the set or 2 pair. If he calls he has the flush draw or weak a or something like that. But i dont think he has the flush.
First of all don't you ever put villain on a hand. You play vs. range, not hand. Unless you are Daniel Negreanu you can only guess the hand.
Second: how many hands do you have with that player? 50 or 0.5k? And how often does he cold call from CO? How often he donk bets that kind of flops or if you don't know it yet then how often he donk bets?
And also imo the most important thing - why you play c/c with such strong hand? First of all you keep the pot small and you give him free card - if he is on draw then you're shooting yourself in the foot. Second: you lose value. You should bet or play c/r on the flop, but since you're asking for putting the opponent on a RANGE with such small amount of information then let's do it.
What kind of hand he will donkbet on that flop? Set, two pair, top pair and flush draws. That's all, maybe few combinations of bluffs like some gutshot. Nothing more. You're ahead on the flop vs. 90% of his range (about 90 combos), but you can easily be behind on the turn when he will make his draw.
Then the turn comes 6s. Now he probably will fold most of the weak aces that don't have some kind of flushdraw. He will still play his set, two pair and also will have few made flushes in that range. That leaves about 53 combinations and your equity drops from 85% to 55%, just because you gave him free card (yes, it is free card, even if he made a bet)! All bluffs are gone imo, you don't play b/c with bluffs.
Then you c/r the turn and bet the river (which is blank card). He won't have low aces there, I think now he has only two pair, set or flush - which leaves 26 combos and your equity is now less than 31%.
So that's the range I'll put him on with stats that you gave us:
I can be wrong because you can't say too much about a range knowing only AF and VPIP/PFR. But also you ask for putting him on the hand, so I guess he showed some kind of hand that not many of us would expect to see, but the range above should be pretty accurate in most of the situations.
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Posted by LooseKiddie: First of all don't you ever put villain on a hand. You play vs. range, not hand. Unless you are Daniel Negreanu you can only guess the hand.
Second: how many hands do you have with that player? 50 or 0.5k? And how often does he cold call from CO? How often he donk bets that kind of flops or if you don't know it yet then how often he donk bets?
And also imo the most important thing - why you play c/c with such strong hand? First of all you keep the pot small and you give him free card - if he is on draw then you're shooting yourself in the foot. Second: you lose value. You should bet or play c/r on the flop, but since you're asking for putting the opponent on a RANGE with such small amount of information then let's do it.
What kind of hand he will donkbet on that flop? Set, two pair, top pair and flush draws. That's all, maybe few combinations of bluffs like some gutshot. Nothing more. You're ahead on the flop vs. 90% of his range (about 90 combos), but you can easily be behind on the turn when he will make his draw.
Then the turn comes 6s. Now he probably will fold most of the weak aces that don't have some kind of flushdraw. He will still play his set, two pair and also will have few made flushes in that range. That leaves about 53 combinations and your equity drops from 85% to 55%, just because you gave him free card (yes, it is free card, even if he made a bet)! All bluffs are gone imo, you don't play b/c with bluffs.
Then you c/r the turn and bet the river (which is blank card). He won't have low aces there, I think now he has only two pair, set or flush - which leaves 26 combos and your equity is now less than 31%.
So that's the range I'll put him on with stats that you gave us:
I can be wrong because you can't say too much about a range knowing only AF and VPIP/PFR. But also you ask for putting him on the hand, so I guess he showed some kind of hand that not many of us would expect to see, but the range above should be pretty accurate in most of the situations.
I think that based on those stats, you should be able to somewhat put villain on a loose range pre-flop.
After the flop and turn, you're re-defining and narrowing the range, based on their actions. Sure it's the micros and people play like maniacs, but especially for someone with say a VPIP of only 14 over a solid hand size, you can definately define a range.
Thanks for the lengthy reply
Here's the results:
sevendooce79 shows [ Kh, Ad ]two pairs, Aces and Kings. hamster9992 doesn't show [ 3h, 6h ]two pairs, Sixes and Threes. sevendooce79 wins $7.03 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Aces and Kings.
I get the flop bet. I checked, he sensed weakness and decided to semi-bluff. Turn seems sketchy, I mean if he had the flush, why not just 3-bet shove me when I raised him?
haha what a donk! Calls with a pair of 3 on a AK board Some people really don't care about the fact that they might be drawing dead, they just wanna see cards
But it's true that he could've had any suited aces on that board! Very wide range possible.
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Posted by TheMachineQC: haha what a donk! Calls with a pair of 3 on a AK board Some people really don't care about the fact that they might be drawing dead, they just wanna see cards
But it's true that he could've had any suited aces on that board! Very wide range possible.
I agree, but I just put him on a weaker ace, thus my play. I mean okay I admit, the check-call OTF was probably bad on my part, but really if he did have suited aces, logically he woulda checked behind and taken the free card and then fired on the turn. Plus if he had half a brain, he might interpret my check-call OTF as me being the one on a draw.
I think my problem is, I overthink hands and play level 3 thinking when the donks are still level 1 and I end up outplaying myself sometimes lol.
Yeah, as I thought he showed some crap I've said, that he could have some bluffs (well, 3rd pair with no kicker is a bluff for sure xd), but after calling your c/r I've thught that he may play better post flop. I think that in the calling range that I gave him basing on the VPIP/PFR there wasn't any combination of 63s xD
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I probably made a flush or, in a remote way (if he is just another crazy guy who doesnt know what to do with the money at poker tables), perhaps you can show he made a straight with 2and5 on hand (just kidding, no one would bet so much with this hand like he did). But like someone told before, you did wrong in not betting anything post flop being first to talk. In one side, you want him to increase pot so you can win more, but on the other side you are giving him a free card (the expression is great and fits extremely well in this case) for the flush. At least you should have raised high at the turn!
Some people really don't care about the fact that they might be drawing dead, they just wanna see cards 
