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Hey everyone. I just recently received my free $5 on gutshot poker. However it's really hard to get 200gp for your next $5. There are a few ways to built your bankroll pretty well.
However with an insanely small bankroll (like $5) it's insanely hard. With this I can bestly recommend: - $1,05 headsup SnG's. (5% rake) - Cash games $0,01 - $0,02 => try to play really tight and safely to slowly boost your bankroll (It will take time.) Else you'll be gambling harder with it and risque of getting broke fast.
Your bankroll is a little bit higher? Recommended 20$+ (Which should be possible within a weeks play)
NOW depending on what for player you are you can choose from these models.
Cash game player: tight aggressive: remain $0,01-$0,02 Lose semi aggressive: try out $0.02-$0.04 These stakes are actually easier to grind. A decent knowledge of the game is needed.
MTT/SnG player: Your knowledge of shove/folding should be sharp (else I recommend you ICM wizzard)
IMPORTANT: as many said don't grind the $1,20 SnG's 20% rake is your own death!.
HU players keep playing HU it's awesome way to built bankroll over time.
MTT players: - Join Step2 !! ($0,55 SnG's) 10players. 1-4 get $1.10 ticket, and the 5th gets another shot. => Basicly If you get your money in 50%+ You are already garanteedly profitable. They are uber aggressive here. So only play premium hands and you are almost garanteed in top 5. And if you got to double up.. make good shoves and you'll easely get your money in good.
After that play on to step3, however i recommend using the $1,10 token to register in a tournament. Gl and have fun! This combo also gives you an average of 4+Gp. per full $1,10 investment.
This is my opinion about the client.. Feel free to argue or object. Open for discussion and mostly add more good ways if it helps players out!
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Posted by Setera: Hey everyone. I just recently received my free $5 on gutshot poker. However it's really hard to get 200gp for your next $5. There are a few ways to built your bankroll pretty well.
However with an insanely small bankroll (like $5) it's insanely hard. With this I can bestly recommend: - $1,05 headsup SnG's. (5% rake) - Cash games $0,01 - $0,02 => try to play really tight and safely to slowly boost your bankroll (It will take time.) Else you'll be gambling harder with it and risque of getting broke fast.
Your bankroll is a little bit higher? Recommended 20$+ (Which should be possible within a weeks play)
NOW depending on what for player you are you can choose from these models.
Cash game player: tight aggressive: remain $0,01-$0,02 Lose semi aggressive: try out $0.02-$0.04 These stakes are actually easier to grind. A decent knowledge of the game is needed.
MTT/SnG player: Your knowledge of shove/folding should be sharp (else I recommend you ICM wizzard)
IMPORTANT: as many said don't grind the $1,20 SnG's 20% rake is your own death!.
HU players keep playing HU it's awesome way to built bankroll over time.
MTT players: - Join Step2 !! ($0,55 SnG's) 10players. 1-4 get $1.10 ticket, and the 5th gets another shot. => Basicly If you get your money in 50%+ You are already garanteedly profitable. They are uber aggressive here. So only play premium hands and you are almost garanteed in top 5. And if you got to double up.. make good shoves and you'll easely get your money in good.
After that play on to step3, however i recommend using the $1,10 token to register in a tournament. Gl and have fun! This combo also gives you an average of 4+Gp. per full $1,10 investment.
This is my opinion about the client.. Feel free to argue or object. Open for discussion and mostly add more good ways if it helps players out!
It seems like the step2's would probably be the safest route to generate the rake needed to clear the bonus, they'd definately have the lowest ammount of variance. Plus 10% rake is definately very beatable.
Building a roll out of $5 would be no easy task. Cash games definately outta the question. I'd say so would HU sngs unless your godly heads up.
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Hmm its probably true HU $1,05 SnG's are pretty risquefull aswell. Besides if you are good at HU poker, it's better to do it on the cash tables. Many noobs there! Just make sure you open the table to increase the chances of fish.
They are either good or real bad. Probably more safe than the SnG's.
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Great article man... I still tryin on ring games on 0,01/0,02 cents but this tables rakeback just alittle bonus on points... is hard to grow at 200 points..
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Agreed. Really hard to gain points. Thats why I also play $0,02 - $0,04 just because you are allowed to have the same stacks as in $0,01 - $0,02. I just find the easy tables where i get low resistance. They rarely 3bet and if they do, you are miles behind. I get myself around $1 profit a table by opening 35-45% of the pots and playing in positions.
However due my low bankroll I can't really get alot of value. Cause 1 bad river could just be a pretty big dent in my bankroll. So I try to force hands preflop / flop without risking alot. Or keeping the pots small. (This isn't really profitable poker, as you miss out on alot of value.) But it effectively builts a bankroll slowly and pretty safely.
I sit down with $3. The reason why... If I go all-in it's only $3 instead of 5. With 75BB I can certainly work. And I leave once I hit $4 or more. At least I try to make myself these rules. + I only play 1 table at the time so I can pick up every betting pattern, opening and stuff. So I am able to abuse this preflop and postflop. (Theres alot of value in that.)
Anyways feel free to comment on the strategy. It's obviouly not a very good one But I'm looking to built this bankroll easely on tables with few resistance.
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Posted by Setera: Agreed. Really hard to gain points. Thats why I also play $0,02 - $0,04 just because you are allowed to have the same stacks as in $0,01 - $0,02. I just find the easy tables where i get low resistance. They rarely 3bet and if they do, you are miles behind. I get myself around $1 profit a table by opening 35-45% of the pots and playing in positions.
However due my low bankroll I can't really get alot of value. Cause 1 bad river could just be a pretty big dent in my bankroll. So I try to force hands preflop / flop without risking alot. Or keeping the pots small. (This isn't really profitable poker, as you miss out on alot of value.) But it effectively builts a bankroll slowly and pretty safely.
I sit down with $3. The reason why... If I go all-in it's only $3 instead of 5. With 75BB I can certainly work. And I leave once I hit $4 or more. At least I try to make myself these rules. + I only play 1 table at the time so I can pick up every betting pattern, opening and stuff. So I am able to abuse this preflop and postflop. (Theres alot of value in that.)
Anyways feel free to comment on the strategy. It's obviouly not a very good one But I'm looking to built this bankroll easely on tables with few resistance.
There's actually something to be said about smallball poker. Negreanu absolute ADORES the strategy and I think he's honed it pretty well. I think that it utilizes a lot of tools any good poker player should have anyways, pot control, good position playing and solid reads.
Like they say, big hand big pot, small hand small pot.
It's no small feat to build a roll off $5.
On Full Tilt, after losing a few deposits, I made 1 last deposit of $10. Somehow, through extremely nitty play and possibly a lot of luck, I was able to grow it into a far larger roll. It took a lot of work and discipline, but it was a satisfying accomplishment. I also learned a LOT on the way.
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I have a few questions: 1. In what network are Gutshot poker? I supose its Ipoker, but Im not shure. 2. Do you recive points if you win token for next Step and use it? 3. Are you shure that you can use $1,10 token, that you win in Steps, to register in MTT or SNG? I think you can use it only to register in the next, but may be Im wrong.
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Thanks for all your tips on this. I think I will also give it a try and will request the $5 from here. I guess I will then try my luck on the cash tables to build up slowly and climb up the limit. GL to all of you.
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Posted by dorinba: I have a few questions: 1. In what network are Gutshot poker? I supose its Ipoker, but Im not shure. 2. Do you recive points if you win token for next Step and use it? 3. Are you shure that you can use $1,10 token, that you win in Steps, to register in MTT or SNG? I think you can use it only to register in the next, but may be Im wrong.
1) Yes it is Ipoker network... I kind off dislike the network because the rake is just insanely high. Same for ring games... They tend to take alot of rake out of big pots, so thats why my strategy is really good aswell. But you don't get alot of Gpoints.
2) I'll double check that as soon as i'll use another token, but they should as you every time pay rake again. As every toke exists out of new and more rake. So you should get more points every step you are higher.
3And yes I have done this 2 times already. Play a step 2 $0,55 cents SnG and used it in a MTT $1.10 freezout tournament. (However I'm unlucky so far being carddead in those tournaments.) But keep in mind the step 3 token you get is worth $1.10 and will only be able to buy you in a $1.10 not a $1.20 SnG. But then again you'd be dumb to sign up in those big rakes.
It's even so good that if you have a token and for some reason you might have forgotten it. They'll select the token over a cash registration. Which is rather good.
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i think 5$ is too low to start any bankroll management so you should go for the broke.
heres my recommendation, but you need to be good in double up SNG since u need to win all 3 games.
play 4.4 $ DON --> play 5.5$ DON --> play 11$ DON
so after 3 approx hours and 3 games, you are either bust or have 22$ to apply some bankroll management.
if you know how to play DON, its not that hard to get 3 wins in a row. and imo much better than MTT where u need to get to final table to make good payout. and better than grinding ring games for 2-3 days to eventually bust laters
and 1 more thing- play to win money, not to earn points. $$ are more worth than those points
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Certainly good point of view supernoob. Thx
I do want to add I just played another step2 $0.55. I just found out with the step3 token you can only buy in to a NON-turbo $1.10 MTT
Supernoob I also like to add I think it's safer to do it this way:
play $4;4 DON => play $5.5 DON (you got $18.10 then) ==> then play 3 times $5.5 DON ( Win 2 and you got $21.6)
From that bankroll on you can start grinding reasonably safely from the cash games.
I atm have $21 And i'm playing the $0.02-$0.04 tables. I put 3$ on the table so i got 7times the buy-in. Somethimes i play a step2 (so far always got my step 3token) and it got me in a MTT. And hopefully I get deep in one soon. This will boost my bankroll even bigger. And with a daily $0.55 I think thats reasonable as it's only 14BB's from my cashtables.
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Posted by Setera: Supernoob I also like to add I think it's safer to do it this way:
play $4;4 DON => play $5.5 DON (you got $18.10 then) ==> then play 3 times $5.5 DON ( Win 2 and you got $21.6)
you had me confused for some time
play 4.4$ DON => bankroll 8.6$ play 5.5$ DON => bankroll 13.1$
forget about 3 lets just consider the first one of 3 x 5.5$ games u recommend
now if u play 5.5$ DON u either win and get 17.6$ ( compared to 22 u wud have got by playin same no of games had u played 11$ DON) or if u lose u hav 7.6$ and u again hav to take similar risks.
surely a bit safer but more games u play more chances you are giving variance to hit you with a downswing. my way, its total gambling but you are more likely to avoid variance.
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Well my step 2's are going good i basicly fold my way into the step3. But every MTT so far i'm carddead literally hehe. Folded all hands basicly until i'm in shove or fold mode. pretty sad no PP's or AJ+ ^^
Anyways concidering your chances you take is really good. Either get the bankroll big fast and work on from there or try another free no deposit
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Retribution i saw you couple of days ago participating in a War freeroll tournament but i didnt see the outcome. Did you win anything? And btw how did you get the ticket there? Cause it was saying for War winners. Have you won a War tourney there?
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5 dollars are way too few in my opinion to start play cash games, since i don't have an account on gutshot poker i don't know but i recommend playing 10 cents sng or mtt
I know these are available on other poker platforms but i'm not sure on gutshot poker...
If you have tons of experience you could try cash games with 80 cents buy in but you need to play veeery tight.
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That sounds like a pretty reasonable strategy to me Setera, but yikes. Huge time investment. Worht it suppose if you're just learning or really don't want to deposit though.
I like double ups for sure when it comes to grinding away from such a low starting balance. (Or anytime really for that matter).
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FWIW: before I managed to busto this bankroll playing a few MTTs I built it up a little bit crushing those $1.05 HU SNGs - can't beat the 5% rake vs any other micro games and the targets are very soft.. I found 4-tabling these I was able to build > $10 fairly quick.. I just went busto because basically my plan was to build enough to enter a few small stakes MTTs; which I did but didn't cash.
Anyway, really just want to say - for those with some HU ability they aren't a bad way to go, obviously with a $5 BR and $1 games variance may slap you silly pretty quick, but if you start on a good run you'll be right !
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Double ups kinda too risky with only 5$ starting money. The minimum you can play is 1$ with 10 cents fee. So thats 4 DON's and 60 cents to spare if you lose it all
But I'm looking to built this bankroll easely on tables with few resistance.
